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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:08 PM
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Frist: Protecting the flag isn't pandering
WASHINGTON - Amending the Constitution to prohibit flag burning may be considered political posturing in the nation's capital, says Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, but it's not pandering to the GOP's conservative base to pursue such protection.

"It's important to the heart and soul of the American people," said Frist, R-Tenn., who is considering a White House bid in 2008.

Asked on "Fox News Sunday" if flag burning and gay marriage were the most important issues the Senate can address in June, Frist said the agenda will focus on securing the country and its values.

"I'm going to Arlington Cemetery tomorrow, and I'm going to see that American flag waving on every single grave over there," Frist said the day before Memorial Day ceremonies at the military cemetery.

"And when you look at that flag and then you tell me that right now people in this country are saying it's OK to desecrate that flag and to burn it and to not pay respect to it — is that important to our values as a people when we've got 130,000 people fighting for our freedom and liberty today? That is important."

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:15 PM
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1. Sure it's pandering
It's not like we have some huge outbreak of flag burning going on here. Seems like the senate could spend its time on more pressing issues like health care or education.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:15 PM
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2. The flag isn't sacred; it can't BE desecrated, Frist, you cat-killer.
A flag isn't a holy object. It's a piece of cloth. The values behind the flag are sacred, but you don't mind burning those, do you, you asshole Frist?
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tives12 Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:17 PM
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3. It wouldn't surprise me
if they banned flying the flag upside down too. But honestly, how important is the flag to our country's well being? It's a symbol. It really serves no purpose other than identification and unification.
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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:17 PM
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4. Looks like a slug.. crawls like a slug...
It's pandering. No need to explain myself here.

Frist disgusts me.

While I'm at it, I'm not too fond of Hillary for promoting a flag-burning amendment, either.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:13 AM
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28. I was an early Hillary bandwagon-rider...
But her support of such an ammendment is a serious reason to pause.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:17 PM
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5. They care nothing for what the flag stood for and are doing more
Edited on Sun May-28-06 05:19 PM by mrcheerful
destruction to the flag then anyone that burns it or steps on it could. Land of the free, home of the brave, where? Justice for those that can afford it the rest can rot. Spying on americans under the illusion of safety, exactly what does the flag represent today? That greed rules and honesty is for fools.
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pookieblue Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:21 PM
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6. for something that can be bought at walmart
and most likely made in china.....


they should be more worried about protecting the Constitutio. Tje last I heard, that can't be bought at Wal-Mart.


Not unless I missed something....
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:22 PM
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7. Ok, Cat-Killer, and I suppose Teri Schiavo wasn't pandering
either, or an anti-gay marriage amendment, or prayer in the schools, or Creation "Science" in biology textbooks...all the little right-wing bells and whistles that resonate in your version of America.

Frist, you have no credibility anymore. No one wants your version of America. Have you ever heard of the First Amendment?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:24 PM
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8. I happen to hold clean air & water
as necessary 2 life but that hasn't stopped cat-killer 'n the pro-life gang from desecrating those elements.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:27 PM
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9. nah, Frist you got it wrong
now, protecting the Constitution of the US is not pandering.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:31 PM
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10. You'd think some flags would want to burn themselfs
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:34 PM
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11. Anything that Frist does is most likely pandering.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:36 PM
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12. How does Frist feel about banning display of the Confederate Treason flag?

.. Old Glory Protection Amendment

No federal agency, state or local government may display the flag of the Confederate States of America over any building, facility, site or property of any kind. Similarly, no institution receiving funds from the federal, state or local government may display the Confederate Flag. The same prohibitions apply to any flag containing the CSA flag as a design element.


The Confederate flag is not a symbol of a proud, noble heritage, but of slavery, racial hatred, treason and secession. Over 600,000 Americans died in battle because of that banner. There can be no doubt that Confederate soldiers were courageous and even heroic. But their their cause was an abomination. To display and celebrate its symbols is an affront to all Americans, white and black ...

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000199.htm
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:37 PM
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13. Hmmm, if only they could create the perception that gay illegal aliens....
are using the flag for some kind of deplorable sex-act, all while speaking Spanish. It would be election gold!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:43 PM
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14. Respect a piece of cloth, desecrate your country...that's Frist!
Shit all over the Constitution, the military and the people of the United States, but don't diss that piece of cloth.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:48 PM
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15. One would hope this sad little piece of legislature that worships cloth
over freedom of expression would have some opposition. Somehow, I doubt it.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:52 PM
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16. Who is saying it's OK to desecrate and burn the flag, Bill?
When's the last time you heard of anyone in this country burning an American flag?

This is transparent pandering, and I think most true Americans will see it as such.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:55 PM
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17. Yep, nothing's more important to me than a piece of cloth.
Not human rights, peace, the environment or any of that stuff. That flag must be protected by God! All other considerations are secondary.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:57 PM
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18. Fundie thinking, One Flag Under God!!!! therefore, you can't burn god's
flag.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 05:59 PM
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19. The Constitution is sacred.
The flag is a rag.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:20 PM
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20. 20 years ago I would have thought the flag was worth protecting. After
Edited on Sun May-28-06 06:21 PM by VegasWolf
six years of Bush's culture of corruption, gov spying on its own citizens, attacking foreign countries to grab their resources, prioritizing of the corporation above all else, a pretzeldent that listens to voices in his own head telling him to kill people and fundies that can't see anything wrong with that, Abu Gahrib, Marine executions of civilians because children were sent to fight an oil war, well,
I don't see anything worth protecting.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:25 PM
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21. When he sees the flag waving on every single grave
what will he be thinking?

Will he be thinking about how glorious that looks, all those flags, and all those graves?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:34 PM
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22. HOW ARE THE TROOPS IN IRAQ FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM????
Edited on Sun May-28-06 06:35 PM by Skip Intro
That is ludicrous.

Doesn't he have a video diagosis to make or something?

He's of the biggest frauds out there...
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:57 PM
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23. You Miss the Point...
I served in the Navy for 6 years, 68-74, and here is how most vets view this non-issue: the freedoms and liberties that our flag represents mean everything; they are the things we enlisted to protect and preserve. The flag itself is a piece of cloth. If some idiot wants to burn it, our country ( until bush gets through destroying what our flag represents ) still provides the freedom to do so. You and I might not like it, we might hate it - but by God, that freedom is worth more than any piece of cloth.
It really bugs me that so many so-called "patriots" calmly except the NSA listening in to personal communications, while whining about the extremely unlikely burning of a flag. Think.
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 07:00 PM
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24. I don't know who said it but very aptly stated
they could find more favor with those who
would burn the flag and wrap themselves in the
constitution. Rather than those who would burn
the constitution and wrap themselves in the flag.
Certainly today the constitution is under greater
attack than the flag.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 07:13 PM
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25. Yeah, right. Whatever.
Tell it to someone that gives a shit. We're all so tired of that crap.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:11 AM
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26. I must have missed the flag burning frenzy
going on.I haven't heard anything,must have been asleep that day.Not pandering,this from a man that came up with the 100 REBATE.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:59 AM
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35. Only US flag burning I've ever seen were protesters in foreign coutries...
Somehow I don't think they are going to be deterred, not even a little bit.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:13 AM
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27. Protect the flag, but fuck the Constitution
What a bunch of fascist pigs! It is the Constitution that preserved our freedoms, not the fucking flag, and certainly not the military!
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:48 AM
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29. Jumpin' jesus CHRIST...These pander monkeys keep
rolling out the old favorites. especially when they cannot run on their record.
Flag burning amendment....In Washington State the retardicans have a platform stating children born in america of illegal immigrants cannot be citizens.
(14th amendment says something different, but why would retardicans care what the CONSTITUTION says)

Gay marriage, immigration, support the troops (but cut their benefits)....

I pray to Gawd that republicans lose their majority this November.
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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 12:27 PM
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30. The only people I see burning flags on t.v. is..
other countries over protests of our atrocities.
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giant_robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:31 PM
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31. The fact that we have 130,000 people fighting a pointless war
is *exactly* why congress shouldn't waste any time on legislating what can be done with a symbolic piece of cloth. We've got more pressing issues to deal with, Mr. Frist.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 01:59 PM
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32. It's also not nearly as important as protecting free expression
but there you go.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 05:27 PM
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33. How About Protecting the Constitution You Asshole! (nt)
Edited on Mon May-29-06 06:17 PM by stepnw1f
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 11:04 PM
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34. protect the flag, shit all over people
such as gays and immigrants. And in so doing, you shit all over the flag, but you already know that, don't you frist?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 01:49 AM
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36. how secure the values that made this country great
like helping the less fortunate or protecting the environment or giving our kids the best education possible

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 03:39 AM
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37. Yeah, well with the rash of flag burnings
I really worry about how all that smoke is effecting the air quality. :eyes: I can see that it's a real "buring" issue. :sarcasm:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 08:28 AM
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38. neither is burning it (nt)
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:17 AM
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39. He and his ilk have had YEARS
to protect us from gays, Mexicans, and flag burners, and NOW in an election year these things are all urgent issues???

:eyes:
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 09:28 AM
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40. Frist: Bullshit isn't Bullshit
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:11 AM
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41. Pot meet kettle
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 12:58 PM
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42. How does "protecting the flag" keep them flying at Arlington?
Passing anti-flag burning laws have no effect at cemetaries. If someone takes a flag from a cemetary, it is theft. He can be prosecuted for that, and in Arlington, he probably can be shot over it. I saw a Marine guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier aim his rifle at a little kid who walked in the wrong spot when I was there.

All this really shows me is how stupid Rick Santorum is and how stupid he must think the voters in PA are.

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 01:41 PM
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43. Giant Huge Looming Issues from the corrupt Senator from TN
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