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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:06 AM Original message |
Bush Bans Protests at Military Funerals |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is the photo of soldiers being taken out of a jet plane's cargohold a hoax |
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soup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. no. |
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u2spirit (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. This story puts Free Republic in a good light |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. seems to me... |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
91. Phelps is even too low for them. I posted a link to his site once |
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davsand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. I have to wonder if this ban will hold up in court. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I have to confess to being terribly conflicted on this one too. |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:39 AM Original message |
this could also ban anti-war protests at a soldier's funeral |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
26. Good point. n/t |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
44. Yes, and "protest" could be as simple as, say, an armband... |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
103. That is clearly what this is all about, IMHO. nt |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Why isn't Phelps in a "free speech zone?" Or are they? |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. There is an easy good solution. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. YES! |
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ScreamingWhisper (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
99. ROFLMAO |
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Jawja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
77. Me, too. |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
95. I'm conflicted too. My gut instinct says good, but my love a free speech |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Unfortunately, this will likely force the ACLU to enter in on their |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. This is a pretty tame bill. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Those bans are routinely overturned when challenged. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
46. See my example upthread. |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. wouldn't be surprised to find Phelps gets a govt check (like Armstrong ... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I thought the same thing |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. IMO, First Amendment doesn't cover harrasment. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. If military families see this as harassment, they should prosecute Phelps |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Shades of Schiavo. |
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ScreamingWhisper (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
100. They are not being silenced...they are being moved |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
73. Peaceful protest *ISN'T* harrassment, even if you don't want it. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
97. As a law school graduate ... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. Oh woop-tee- do - and fuck the gay people, right? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. It DOES apply equally... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
92. I'm queer and I loathe Phelps and his message BUT |
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Gidney N Cloyd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
8. Next: ''Respect for America's President Act" ? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
9. Bad law tramples another piece of the Bill of Rights. |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. You do realize that John Conyers supported this bill? He was ... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Most of them also voted for the Patriot Act and the IWR |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. The bill passed the Senate without objection. Two weeks ... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Yes I do |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. They are wrong to do so. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
43. It's not about that |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Harrasment is already a crime. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. They still should not be allowed to be at the funerals |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Says YOU. |
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ScreamingWhisper (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
101. ...and you would spend the time at your family-member's funeral |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. All public spaces are proper places for protests. |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. It's wrong |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
88. I don't give a FUCK if YOU don't like it,... |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. Whatever |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #93 |
109. "I do not support hateful people bothering grieving families." |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
74. Ahh -- *ANOTHER* DUer giving away our free speech rights. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Harass? Is a disagreeable message harassment? |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It's an abuse of free speech |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:10 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. And once again |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
94. And one restriction doesn't take away the 1st amendment |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #94 |
102. Okay, try this: Starting today, you, KingFlorez, have NO RIGHT to... |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. That's not the same |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. *IT'S PRECISELY THE SAME CONCEPT!* |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. So Bush can decree the First Amendment away |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 06:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
98. It's okay; dozens (hundreds?) of DUers agree with Bush. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
106. Not a decree--this is a law that almost every member of Congress supported |
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rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
13. What does he say is the justification? |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
15. Vile, offensive speech is still free speech... |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
65. That's it in a nutshell... |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
17. Free Republic, Hate Group. vs. God Hates Fags Phelps and klan. |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
18. Bear in mind this measure applies only to national cemeteries |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. It applies to free speech in public spaces. |
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Lavender Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Many states are passing these laws though... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. That doesn't make those laws right, either. |
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Lavender Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I didn't say it did. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I know. Just adding to your statement. |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
20. "Bush bans?" |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Nice catch; didn't notice that for some reason. :P (n/t) |
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Dangerously Amused (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
23. But we can still celebrate at Bush's funeral, right? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. America's fallen zeroes are said to be exempt, yes. (n/t) |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
24. Phelps vs Free Republic |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
27. "Respect For America's Fallen Heroes Act?" |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
31. This is a dangerous precedent |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
34. My father was a WWII vet, and proud of his service. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. It's not a question of your opinion |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. Under current Constitutional law, very few rights are completely |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:10 AM Response to Reply #40 |
82. Read the 1st Amendment-it is general. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
80. I'm with you, Amanda. |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
107. Thank you for your support. n/t |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
35. The First Amendment is clear - Fred Phelps has every right to protest |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
66. First Amendment is not so clear. It states: |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. I don't agree |
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Towelie (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. There is a big difference |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. There is no fundemental right to not be offended by another's speech. |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. you're right that 1st Amendmt is not that specific; however, these people |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:24 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. What part of "shall make no law" is unclear to you? |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:04 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. how is their freedom abridged? They can still protest, petition & assemble |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. If that's what it takes... |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:12 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. wow, how little respect you have for your family members if you think |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:17 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Actually, I have great respect for my family members. |
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wordpix2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:29 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. OK, you're entitled to your opinion & any kind of loud funeral you want |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. No, what I can't relate to is *TRASHING THE CONSTITUTION* |
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Towelie (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. So as Americans... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Yeah, pretty much |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 09:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. No respect? S/he has so much, s/he won't stop fighting for their rights. |
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wildwww2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
37. I guess he had better ban protests at abortion clinics. If fair is fair. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
39. Did they change the headline or is wrong headline provided? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
42. I told people this was going to happen. |
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
49. Is * planning on actually attending a funeral to boost his poll ratings? |
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HuffleClaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
53. this won't survive a court challenge |
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Placebo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
57. haha, FreeRepublic.com |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-29-06 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
68. Some body must have got their mail order crown mixed up |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
71. Great! Where will he ban free speech tomorrow? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
72. Blatantly unconstitutional, not unlike the entire Bush "presidency" (NT) |
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CGrantt57 (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-30-06 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
76. Phucking Phascist. N/T |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-31-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #76 |
108. Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers support fascism? |
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