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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:51 AM
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Louisiana House OK's Ban on Most Abortions
May 31, 2006, 11:36PM
Louisiana House OK's Ban on Most Abortions

© 2006 The Associated Press

BATON ROUGE, La. — The Louisiana House approved a ban on most abortions,
a largely symbolic bill that could go into effect only if the U.S. Supreme
Court's landmark 1973 decision is overturned.

The measure would allow abortion in cases when the woman's life is in danger
or childbirth would permanently harm her health. The bill passed 85-17 and heads
to the Senate.
<snip>
The bill is similar to a South Dakota law passed this year that is expected
to land before the high court.

Passage of the Louisiana bill was not in doubt; the fight centered on whether
to allow exceptions for rape and incest victims. The amendment failed after
opponents argued that the bill should prevent as many abortions as possible.
<snip>

Full article: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/3919154.html
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:36 AM
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1. OK, so we should reduce abortions as much as possible and fuck the...
rape victims? What sick jackass would vote against a rape exception clause???
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:18 AM
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6. The answer is obvious.
A sadistic rapist who thinks he has the right to pass his genes on in that way.
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loudestchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:21 AM
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21. a rape exclusion
indicates a moral judgement about concensual sex...if she chose to have sex she must pay the penalty...a baby? Those kinds of exclusions show that stopping abortion isn't about the babies...it's about punishing and controlling women.

No woman should have to carry ANY fetus...result of rape or otherwise.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:54 AM
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2. kick
wtf...........
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:23 AM
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3. So much for a majority of DEMS in our state legislature.....
.....f'n bunch o'D.I.N.O.'s is what they are...is it any wonder why so many people just do NOT vote anymore?! :eyes:
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 07:35 AM
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4. I don't know if these things change regularly or not
but I find it wholly ironic and not a little distasteful that there is an anti-choice ad at the top of this page.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:15 AM
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5. I agree.
I wonder if the admins will be able to tweak those ads.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:19 AM
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7. fwiw,I alerted on the ad.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:43 AM
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10. Why?
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 09:09 AM by jberryhill
Considering that every click from DU costs the advertiser money, then why would you want to stop such an... opportunity.

As you are a non-contributor to DU, how do you propose to pay for the cost of running the site?


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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:10 AM
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12. It would be possible to pay for the cost of running this site
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 10:16 AM by BlueIris
without supporting misogyny through ads that support restriction of the human rights of sentient women.

Maybe you wouldn't be so condescending and calm about this matter if DU.com was running advertisements from organizations actively working to restrict and endanger your basic right to unfettered medical choice or your right to control your own body. Since no such organizations exist, however, you clearly lack the perspective to understand how offensive your post on this is. What a pity.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:24 AM
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22. exactly, how many dollars is it worth turning a blind eye this for?
pragmatic people like mr j here should surely have worked up a figure in their heads.
:puke:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:25 AM
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16. because it's really offensive if you actually give a damn about
reproductive freedom.
maybe it would have to be your ass on the line for you to be bothered.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:05 AM
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17. Too bad you don't know me
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 11:06 AM by jberryhill
...so you wouldn't make incorrect assumptions about who I am, what I believe, or what I have ever been through. How dare you presume to know what I do or do not "give a damn about".

The ads are auto-generated based on keywords. If there are ads relevant to the topic in the database, then those ads get served on the page.

The notion of being "offended" by a computer program is an interesting personality issue.

If you think about which way the money is actually flowing, then its something of a different picture.

If more of the freeloaders contributed, the ads wouldn't be necessary.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:17 AM
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20. offended by the promotion and sale of anti choice items through this
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 11:18 AM by bettyellen
website. very offended, and not by a "computer program" .

i know all about the money flowing and you know what, mr personality issues? it's still really fucking offensve.
we shouldn't take blood money, period.
you think the "flow of money" justifies it, i say bullshit to anything that promotes limiting reproductive freedoms on this site.
non support like yours, looking the other way, IS part of the problem.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:50 AM
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24. And you have volunteered your professional time pro bono to, uh whom?

non support like yours

Solly, my support goes beyond your keyboard banging to no practical effect.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:55 AM
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25. what a cheap dodge! i've put in my time, and continue to do so.
to much practical effect, mr banger.
and you continue to make incorrect and belittling assumptions just because i called you on your mistake.
defensive much?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:34 PM
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29. Mistake?
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 12:37 PM by jberryhill
What mistake? You calling me "part of the problem".

If the problem is broadly defined as moralists who condemn what others decide to do with their bodies, or indeed their websites, then, yeah, I sure see a problem.

You started with the "you statements" about someone you don't even know, to tell me what I do or do not give a damn about.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:42 PM
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31. another dodge. you choose to be opague and take the blood money.
your mistake is that the ads are okay here at DU because the money justifies it. that kind of thinking- so pragmatic, so kneejerk belittling to people who actually care and work for causes- helped get us the supreme court we have today. so yeah, you're attitude is part of the problem.
your mistake is imagining for a moment you know who i am, or how i've contributed time and effort as well as cash over the years.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:44 PM
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33. "your mistake is imagining for a moment you know who i am"

A remarkable bit of projection there.

You might want to check out the announcements on the ongoing experimentation with the ad system.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:03 PM
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36. the ones that ask not to start threads, like i didn't? or the parts where
asks for feedback, so they can better filter, which we gave him? a better question is, did you read them?
why does it bother you that it bothers women here? do you think we should shut up so DU can take the blood money with less remorse?

you've made it very clear you'd take the blood money, we're making it clear we don't find that acceptable at all.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:40 PM
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41. Whoa!
"Freeloaders." I see that I need to clarify a few things here. First of all, I've been a member of this site since 2001 and have contributed plenty, including for others who did not have the ability to pay. Secondly, there is an excellent reason I am not currently contributing to DU and it has to do with extreme financial hardship -- more detail is really none of your business. Talk about 'incorrect assumptions!" And how dare YOU presume to know why *I* or anyone else do or do not contribute. Lastly, whether a person does or does not have a star next to his/her name has absolutely no correlation to the value of his/her post(s).
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #10
45. I happen to be temporarily starless because I'm broke, waiting
for payday. I also happen to care about the right to have reproductive choices,
and I don't believe that we should give the anti-choicers a platform to continue to chip away at women's rights to choice.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:24 AM
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8. And at the bottom of the page, two each pro- and anti-choice
:argh:
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:34 AM
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23. I alerted
totally disgusting ads. I realize its based on keywords but damn, those ads just do not belong here. DU is supposed to be a somewhat safehaven from freeperfundie idiocy. I guess all we can do is alert and hope they nix those ads from running here. Cycle in some new stuff, use the anti-women crap someplace else.

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:13 PM
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26. I alerted as well.
The ads are offensive and don't belong on a progressive site.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:21 PM
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27. thx. i can't believe i was just belittled and asked to provide activist
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 12:35 PM by bettyellen
credentials by some asshole who thinks it's okay, DU sells out in this way.
i'm going to PM skinner. this unborn bullshit is really beyond the pale.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:41 PM
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30. Agree with you entirely
It's not ok, not at all.
And every time we let something like this pass, it chips away a bit more, which is part of why we're still having to fight this damn fight.
Well, at least we're both scrappy and willing to stand up for our rights, both here and in our cities and in Wash. DC.
Always proud to stand with you, bettyellen.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:42 PM
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32. Why not read what Skinner has to say about it first?


4. WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE ADS FOR CAUSES YOU MAY NOT WANT TO SEE. This is very important. We can filter ads from certain URLs but only after we see them, and it takes a few hours for the filters to take effect. So please don't start a brazillion threads complaining about all the ads you don't want to see. We'll take care of them as they come up.


Belittled? In response to making a personal attack on a complete stranger? Please.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:50 PM
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34. i said you don't give a damn about the issue. you'd not want their $$$$
if you really did. on this issue you've admitted you're corrupted by the money. we are not. that there's a big difference in support of the issue.

you made your priorities very clear. as we did -to skinner, so he CAN filter them. how would we know about them if we didn't alert him? sheesh. who started a brazillion threads?
one has to wonder what your motivation here is in belittling the offense and the offended.
asking me for credentials? are you fucking kidding me? still dining out on that check you wrote to NARAL in the nineties?
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:55 PM
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35. Has anyone started threads about these ads?
I see posts in this thread about the ad and that alerts are being sent to the moderators, but I don't see new threads being started about it.
Skinner says he can filter them and we are asking that he do so in this case. Seems to me that we are responding appropriately to Skinner's statement.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:07 PM
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37. first i get ragged on for NOT doing enough, now i've overstepped and
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 01:19 PM by bettyellen
started invisible threads about this.
it looks like someone has an overactive imagination.
or they'd prefer we shut up and let DU take the money because tHEy thinks it's okay.
you're exactly right, it's chipping away our REAL freedoms, and we are not supposed to be okay with doing business with the chisel manufacturers.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:56 PM
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42. I sent the alert to Google itself
about the ad. This isn't about alerting this thread to DU, this is about getting some of these completely out of place Google ads out of the cycle for this website.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. fyi: the mods are interested in this as well
they are filtering this out, they can only do it as they come up, so for now, all feedback to both places only helps.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:18 PM
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38. It's still there at 2:30 pm
:mad: :mad: :mad:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:07 PM
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43. i was assured they're filtering for this, so no need to block ads and cost
DU the extra revenue.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:36 AM
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9. Waiting for the headline
Louisiana House OK's Ban on Most Forms of Birth Control.

Actually- Mississippi will probably beat them to it.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 08:50 AM
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11. Republinazi party
This again proves the republinazi party is pro-rape & hates women.


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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:16 AM
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13. the funny part, well, not 'funny' funny
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 10:16 AM by zreosumgame
is that under Clinton the number of abortions FELL, under dumbaya it is rising. But hey, there is no thrill for a zealot better then making women suffer now is there?
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:17 AM
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14. how will they have all that fun...
killing people with their inaction on hurricane preparedness?

they need more live ones, they float better

fuckers

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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 10:20 AM
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15. huh
Gee, you'd think the Louisiana House would have slightly more important issues to deal with at the moment, like the fate of it's largest city.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:06 AM
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18. Is Blanco expected to sign it?
I know my dem governor (Granholm) wouldn't.

The right really seems to think that the USSC at this point in time is ready to overturn Roe v Wade. I'm not so sure. I think Alito would vote to overturn it, but I'm not so sure about Roberts. I would rather not see the challenge, but it would be amusing if they gambled big and Roberts ended up supporting abortion rights in his ruling.

I just don't think that the government should outlaw abortion. I have no problem with those who think it's wrong presenting their views, peacefully protesting, and helping vulnerable pregnant women who want to follow through on their pregnancies, but need support economically or emotionally to do so.

I can think of about 2 situations in which I would consider having an abortion-rape and a medical situation that would result in both me and the baby dying. I realize that there is no way to make legal exceptions for these situations-it would be an unenforceable law. If I was raped, in particular, I would want nothing in the way of my ending the pregnancy ASAP. I don't think abortion is a good thing, I just think it's sometimes a necessary thing.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:12 AM
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19. time to turn back the clock to the coat hanger era. These legislators
are dangerous morons like BushCo and they should be thrown out on their asses next election.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:28 PM
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28. Coat hangers are too dangerous.
Better to stock up on the abortion pills before they are banned entirely.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:20 PM
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39. Well, I guess that means they're all rebuilt after Katrina and Rita
otherwise, why in Hell would the La. legislature be wasting its time on this garbage when it has a state to rebuild?



See? That was last December. Now a gleaming, vibrant new neighborhood must have taken its place, so the legislators can go back to their usual business, like driving women back to the Middle Ages. :sarcasm: Either that, or La. needs to change its state bird from the pelican to the ostrich.

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 01:59 PM
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40. Here we go.....
Women are nothing but breeding pigs in the eyes
of the Nueveau-Extreme-Fucking-Right-Wingnuts!:mad:
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