In a Solidly Conservative State, a Loyal Core of Support for Bush

PROVO, Utah — Here in what may be the reddest city in the reddest of states, where Democrats sometimes gather like lost souls at the one Starbucks, most people are standing by President Bush.

When he gives a speech that angers voters or brings ridicule from other parts of the country, people here pick up different messages. They might break with Mr. Bush on the war in Iraq or on illegal immigration, but not with the man himself.

"When I watch him, I see a man with his heart in the right place," said Delia Randall, a 22-year-old mother from Provo, the hub of a county that gave Senator John Kerry just 11 percent of the presidential vote in 2004. "I like George Bush because he is God-fearing, and that's how a lot of people in this area feel."

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"I'm against the war in Iraq — and what happened with Hurricane Katrina, well, it was a failure by everybody," said Ron Craft, a sales manager in Provo who said he was a devout Mormon and a strong conservative who considered himself independent politically. "I tend to judge a person by their character. And President Bush reminds me of President Reagan. He's a man of principle."

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/washington/04believers.html?ei=5094&en=fef6401af47a9777&hp=&ex=1149393600&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

And the stronger the faith, the less rational I think they become. (Hey, Tallah-Grannie, note that this is a personal opinion, but you know what I think about all religions already)

I'm not Mormon, but I have Utah roots, and was back there last month (to Moab).

Most Mormons are not polygamous pederasts who wear long underwear in the summer. And there are a lot of (secular) Jack Mormons and non-Mormons in Utah.

I'd say the support for Bush in Utah is about a mile wide... and an inch deep.

In fact, Utah shows GOP vulnerability that is typical of many Red States. Bush voters cling to his "decency" image while acknowledging his huge mistakes on Iraq, Katrina, Social Security, etc. If Democrats can present a unified face behind a strong platform and a state of candidates who refrain from taking cheap shots at eachother, the sky's the limit in Utah... and everyplace else.

You'd think people on DU would allow as how you can't lump people together based on one article.

That said, the Mormons do dominate politics in Utah, and as a group, they tend to be Republican. I work with a number of Mormons, and discussing politics with them is not my favorite thing to do these days.

may be the bigger fool.

>>"When I watch him, I see a man with his heart in the right place," said Delia Randall, a 22-year-old mother from Provo, the hub of a county that gave Senator John Kerry just 11 percent of the presidential vote in 2004. "I like George Bush because he is God-fearing, and that's how a lot of people in this area feel.<<
They're assuming he has a heart. How about his head? That seems to be crammed solidly up his ass.

Voting for someone because he's a "God-fearing man" violates Article VI of the Constitution.



I'd rather he feared something here on this Earth, like the American electorate.

They see what they want to see, or are afraid to say that they see differently. When I look at Bush, I see a fascist warmongering idiot who has managed to con his way into two terms in the White House when he really ought to be in prison for war crimes. Unbelievable. :banghead:

lol

The only problem with that statement is people from Utah need to stop thinking of the decider's heart and realize he has no brain.

Peace!

Has she ever had a conversation with him, discussed religion with him? These people are brainwashed by the image that was created by Rove for Bush. Actions speak louder than words - seems these people have forgotten this very sound advice. If they would remember, they would see the glaring contradictions of the idiots policies and his supposed Christian beliefs.

their religion lied to them about native americans being the lost tribe of Israel turned around and said DNA lied not their religion. Also remember this is a female who amounts to little more then a brood mare for the church and who has very little knowledge in religious matters, women have very little say in the church.

Both easily seen as the criminals they are.

look great in comparison. And I never liked Reagan.

but a front.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. . . As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."




--Adolf Hitler Munich, April 12, 1922

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/12/far04041.html

But they found a way to say nice things about the Murderer in Chief. :banghead:

It is only one of three states still above 50% according to SurveyUSA. There may be "pockets" of Bush support huddled together, but non-supporters are there in growing numbers, no longer squirrelled away in lonely Starbucks.

.....what rubbish.......

...the historical Jesus Christ somehow come back and see what these brainwashed idiots have done to his message of peace and love and compassion, and stand in the middle of the biggest mega-church, in the middle of their sunday telecast, and cry out in a loud voice, 'you people don't understand a single thing I was talking about, do you?'.....

.....and have one of the ushers escort him outside for disrupting the service.

And I would be there to ask him, 'man, what went so very wrong?'.

And I think he would just shake his head and say, 'people'.

But, not being a christian, myself, how should I know, huh?

The Mountain Meadows massacre by Mormons during the late 19th century makes the Iraqi Haditha massacre pale in comparison.

See http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_mass.htm for more info.

Also, another "touchy" subject for the Mormons is the fraud perpetrated by their revered leader, Joseph Smith, in attempting to translate additional North American artifacts of Jesus presence called the "Kinderhook plates." These plates that Smith was translating were, in fact, frauds meant to reveal that Smith's "translation" abilities were complete bullshit.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinderhook_Plates for more info.

To the worst drug that ever existed and ever will.

It constantly amazes me to hear that Americans of various religious denominations regard George W. Bush as a sterling example of the faithful Christian and a man of character. I'd like for them to explain how they square that with his open vindictiveness, vanity, greed, ill temper, immaturity, and imprudence, to say nothing of his casual disregard for the safety and well-being of others. One would have to be deluded and/or crippled by pride to continue the destructive paths Bush has embarked upon (with, for example, the war in Iraq).

The Scripture in which Bush supposedly believes has a great deal to say about forgiveness, caring for the poor, reining in one's temper, healing the sick, and cultivating harmony among believers. Bush has most definitely chosen the path of divisiveness and power grabs. There's a terrible disconnect when he proclaims his high regard for service members, yet sends so many to their deaths with his ill-thought-out policies, and had no compunction whatsoever about devoting two presidential campaigns to smearing several Vietnam veterans.

And someone who cultivates gentleness and self-control wouldn't employ Karl Rove. Try explaining that at the Pearly Gates.

I think many Americans simply regard what is familiar (i.e., a wealthy, powerful white man with a tendency to talk tough and brag) as somehow ordained by God. Braggadocio is whitewashed as strength, obstinacy as resolve, and greed as rewarding the "hard-working" (Yes, some in the U.S. do regard the non-wealthy as morally inferior). If Americans would only stop shutting their eyes and begin using their brains and imaginations, perhaps we wouldn't be in our current fix.

Fly right on over it on the way to a more useful state; a state more useful than one where people practice polygamy and breeding. They are out of the mainstream, and not part of the Great American Majority. Utah is not part of my America.

"I'm against the war in Iraq — and what happened with Hurricane Katrina, well, it was a failure by everybody," said Ron Craft, a sales manager in Provo who said he was a devout Mormon and a strong conservative who considered himself independent politically. "I tend to judge a person by their character. And President Bush reminds me of President Reagan. He's a man of principle."

Ron, it sort of helps to understand WHAT that principle IS! Hitler was a man of principle too, you know, and so is Ahmadinejad.

there is nothing that little asshole could do that would offend them.

Ron Craft, sales manager, is against the war in Iraq, and what happened with Hurricane Katrina. He claims to judge people on their character, yet believes Chimpy is a man of principle, because he reminds him of Ray-gun. I think Mr. Craft needs help. :banghead:

are they sure they weren't interviewing Britney Spears??
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(hey, its alot nicer of a comment then I was going to make)

They're both really shitty actors.

The keep making horrible mistakes and then make more to cover up old mistakes....that is pure character. I like that.....


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First Lady reportedly discovers that "The Decider" decided to violate his marriage vows -- moves out.


Rocky shoals for Bush marriage? Informed sources Inside the Beltway report that First Lady Laura Bush has established temporary residence in the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, DC as a result of a tiff with President Bush over an extramarital relationship involving her husband. Mr. Bush's tryst is said to involve Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

It is not known how long Mrs. Bush plans to remain at the Mayflower, however, her security detail has been present at the hotel during hours when the First Lady would normally be residing in the White House.

While she was National Security Adviser, Rice, who has never been married, referred to George W. Bush as "my husband" before she corrected herself and said, "the president." Rice was speaking at a dinner when she made her "husband" remarks.

WMR is tracking the Laura Bush story.