New York Sen. Hillary Clinton says gay marriage not main concern

Charlie Brown isn't going for the football? Will wonders never cease...

in a happy coincidence, we all happen to agree with, as do the majority of Americans. Harry Reid was actually more effective in his speech today!

Bush shot his wad on this one! Even CNN's Lou Dobbs was oozing sarcasm about the the Senate being paralyzed by the gay marriage debate. He showed a chart that illustrated that the states that recognize gay marriage, or that have no ban against it, have the lowest divorce rate in the nation. Dobbs showed that it was the Bible Belt, and states such as Nebraska and Wyoming, that have the highest rate of of divorces in the nation. Dobbs said that the biggest cause of divorce is financial reasons and the failure to communicate about it.

Huh? Is that too difficult? Too politically dangerous for the courageous Ms. Clinton?

I wish somebody would call this thing what it is.Hateful and wrong.

some would still ask more of her.:eyes:

However I do not think that the party line response of 'this is not an important issue' is anything other than the Democratic Party playing it safe again, refusing to take a stand, refusing to defend their own for fear of alienating who? the fundaloon gay hating right?

This is not just Hillary, she is mouthing the party line response here.

What do you think the "party line response" would have been 20 years ago? or ten?

The Democratic Party has a tendency to lean toward consensus.

It's OK for the moment: she's moving in the proper direction

Why those people must be totally Un-American! Good grief, how can that not be priority no. one? I mean, if we allow gays to marry, it may lead to more houses being bought, more money being pumped into the economy, more well adjusted children who will actually contribute something to society, and on and on. My goodness, we just can't have that. What's next, anti flag burning? Oh wait...

;-)

Compared to other more salient concerns, gay marriage is a non-issue.
It's a big, fat, red herring distraction.

they won't count every vote.

We have more pressing critical issues that effect all Americans living and yet to come. Get on with the country's business while we still have a country.

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:boring:
The GOP is desperate.

...with only forty-four more legislating days left before the break for elections. The GOP needs to keep our real concerns invisible just a little bit longer. The MSM stands ready to help them, it appears.

Besides being true, it continues to put the focus on the White House's failures.

>>>>After showing her campaign video, Clinton told her audience that in the days after the Sept. 11 attacks the country could have been brought together but the Bush administration didn't take advantage of that and instead focused on divisive issues like gay marriage.>>>>

instead of parroting Bush propaganda re. Iraq and supporting the IWR.

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BFD

I didn't see her show any concern about the atrocities of the war she backs as being one of our concerns...she seems to carefully avoid it. BFD is right.

my comment when asked to opine on the proposed amendment, my response would be simple and short: "I am going to vote no. Why do I want to listen to a bunch of anti-enlightenment clap trap based on supposed religious tribal taboos that have no bearing on the anything except the infringement and institutionalization of outrageous discrimination? So I don't really plan on even attending the debate as my staff and I are planning on being extremely busy visiting the military and VA hospitals around DC and preparing for the real issues that I shall be debating as soon as this ridiculous farce is over."

she should see Al Gore's film if she really wants to talk about security issues! I'm sick of "terrorism and security" topping the democratic list of priorities; the effects of global warming are a massive security issue, poverty issue, economic issue, environmental issue, and hunger issue. When climate change starts to cause massive crop failures, we'll be facing additional aggression from starving nations. We are not separate from the planet we live on, nor the other life forms it supports.

Education is also a security issue. An undereducated population votes republican, can't innovate or compete,and eventually will turn America into a third world nation. The repugs hope that only the bottom 90% of us live as third world citizens while they control us, and we simply can't allow this dream of their to materialize.

I just don't get why people feel so threatened by the government acknowleging legality of gay couples.

But Hillary is right in that the average american is not really all that concerned about it at the moment. The economy is tanking, the war in Iraq is a quagmire, and there are idiots like Ann Coulter going on the "Today" show to say the war is the one thing the administration is doing right?

"When I travel around and speak with people whom I'm representing, they worry about everything from terrorism to gas prices to the cost of health care to energy independence," Clinton, D-N.Y., said Monday at a fundraising luncheon. "There's a long list. What we're going to do this week is not on the list. It is unfortunately on the list of the political machine of the White House and the Republican majority."

to say that OUTLAWING same-sex marriage was not something her constituents put at the top of their things to do this week lists.

The opposition to same-sex marriage has a religious base. Therefore, if a particular group chooses not to marry same sex couples, that should be their right.

The government, however, should recognize all civil unions to put an end to discrimination.

This is bait. Bush and Frist are throwing out bait, hoping to inflame this issue so it brings their base back out in November. As important as it is to gays, since it seems to have little or no chance of passing, the right thing to do is to refuse to take the bait while pointing out that it's a distraction from all the things that Bushco has screwed up.

That would be the United States Constitution, which requires that an amendment must be ratified by three-quarters of the states. If just thirteen states fail to approve, no amendment.

New England and the west coast likely won't buy it, so there's nine right there. Hillary's obviously counting on New York blocking it, too. New Jersey won't be far behind, and Minnesota usually knows better, too. But even if one or more of those states somehow approve, there's guaranteed to be a few state legislatures which are so procedurally fucked up that they can't get the amendment passed in time (there is usually a several-year time limit placed on consideration). At least some legislators in each state will go against the amendment simply because it's designed to restrict rights rather than expanding them, which is the usual case.

And all that's assuming that the proposed amendment gets out of Congress in the first place, which requires a quorum (two-thirds) vote in favor in both the House and the Senate (which is the entire point of bringing this bullshit up this year, to get the trolls back to the polls to try to swing Congress even more to the Dark Side). Over ten thousand amendments have been proposed over the years; just twenty-seven have made the books--and the first ten were going to get passed or Patrick Henry was going to make sure there wasn't a United States at all.

In other words, it's classic Bush politics: hollow, deceitful, divisive, hateful, expensive, and ultimately ineffective. The nice part of it is that the expense of chaperoning it through the process--and failing--will be borne by those suckers who pay their 10% Jesus tax. I don't.

But then again, she really isn't out there fighting for my vote.

would remind people that historically when the Constitution has been ammended it has been to give more rights to U.S. Citizens not take them away. When it gets tried in reverse, it doesn't have a chance of surviving the test of time any way. Do none of them remember Prohibition? :sarcasm:

Securing the next election against fraud, is one of the most important things on my list. Far more important than this blatant distraction technique.

Plagues, pestilence, famine and war in the world.....

It's not a PROBLEM. It's not a bad thing.

are concerned about not letting gays marry when there are so many relevant issues to look at. The war, higher glass prices, global warming, and the plight of the middle class.

Imagine adding discrimination to the Constitution! :grr: