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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:44 PM
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BBC: Raid police apologise for 'hurt'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5077198.stm

The police have apologised for the "hurt" they caused two brothers who were arrested on suspicion of terrorism involvement but freed without charge.
One brother, Mohammed Abdul Kahar, was shot in the police raid on his family's home in Forest Gate, east London.

His younger brother, Abul Koyair, was also arrested in the raid involving 250 police, but neither were charged.

Mr Kahar had earlier told how he thought the house was being robbed and that he would be killed by armed men.

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Yea.........getting shot in the chest sure might 'hurt'.:sarcasm:
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 04:46 PM
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1. Seems the police didn't bother to identify themselves,...
...they just booted the door in and started screaming at everyone.

Guess that's standard procedure for those suspected of being brown while in possession of a beard.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:00 PM
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2. The police will really be apologizing
When they pay out tens of millions in damages.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:04 PM
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3. Not in the UK.
No such thing as punitive damages under UK civil law. You can only claim damages for quantifiable loss (property damage, loss of earnings, etc.) and a small amount (by US standards) for mental suffering (and some decisions have even refused to award that). They'll probably get about $50k each, if they're lucky, and an apology that's worth the paper it's written on.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:09 PM
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4. Are you sure?
According to a weekend Guardian article, EU civil laws allow for punitive damages.
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:11 PM
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6. They are correct.....no Punitive damages in the UK. n/t
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:16 PM
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7. The only equivalent is a fine.
The court can impose heavy fines, but the proceeds don't go to the victims. And courts don't generally fine government agencies, because the money just ends up going in a big circle, from the Treasury back to the Treasury.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:23 PM
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8. Thanks for the info.
If nothing else, there will be an investigation and hopefully the government will stop using informants with dubious intentions and go back to using good old fashion investigative work, and stop acting like cowboys.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:35 PM
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9. I'm still not optimistic.
Public inquiries and 'independent' police investigations tend to be stacked with 'establishment' figures and senior police officers from other forces around the country. In the end, these inquiries offer-up one or two sacrificial scapegoats (usually fairly junior officers or politicians), but rarely say anything about the system that led to the 'mistake' or the political machinations behind it.

So now the Metropolitan Police have murdered a Brazilian electrician, shot an innocent man in his own home, spent billions of pounds extending the police-state infrastructure until Britons are now the most 'watched' people in the world (the average Londoner appears on 300 surveillance cameras per day), pushed for the introduction of expensive and pointless biometric national ID cards, and have precisely zero to show for it in terms of increasing the security of the country. Bravo!

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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:59 PM
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10. Wasn't George Orwell British?
Seems he just got the year wrong.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 06:06 PM
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11. He certainly was.
'1984' was just a reversal of the year in which he wrote the book, 1948, and wasn't meant to be a firm prediction about the likely timeframe of a totalitarian world. Indeed, Eric Blair (Orwell's real name) believed that the world was already very like the place he described in the book. He'd be even more convinced of it today.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:45 AM
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13. The fact that his real name was Blair is rather ironic. n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 08:46 PM
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12. The figure that's been quoted is up to £500,000 between them
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 08:46 PM by muriel_volestrangler
The Metropolitan Police is facing a potential compensation bill of £500,000 for two brothers who were held as terror suspects for a week, legal experts have suggested.

Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, who was shot, and 20-year-old Abul Koyair were released without charge after police found no trace of a chemical device at an address in Forest Gate, east London.

It was speculated that Mr Kahar could claim between £100,000 and £250,0000 for his injuries, while both men could claim for libel damages.

Gareth Pierce, the lawyer acting for the family, said they would be launching a legal action for damages against Met Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-5878568,00.html
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 05:09 PM
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5. The two brothers have said (it's in the article)
They are more interested in an apology right now rather than suing the police. The UK is not as 'sue happy' as the US.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 12:48 AM
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14. They should sue for an apology and damages
Being shot in the chest by a police officer could leave quite serious lifelong medical problems (physical and psychological).
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