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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 07:51 PM Original message |
Religious speech cut from Las Vegas graduation ceremony |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. I very much disagree with this |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. What would prevent them from doing those things |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. I don't consider this a state sponsered forum |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. You don't, but the courts do. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Why should I adjust my behavior downward to meet theirs? |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. I don't see anything in the article that says she could give a speech |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. should the school really "require" students to say what they want them to |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. It's not her right as a representative of her class. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. She's not being paid by the state |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
83. I didn't say they couldn't |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. This is not at all like cable access |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I find it beyond hard to believe |
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ldf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
80. so it is absolutely fine for the student, |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. yes, she has the right to make others uncomfortable |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Yes she does |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 06:52 AM Response to Reply #80 |
103. That's a bad argument |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Why would you..... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. what if I wanted to thank my boyfriend |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 11:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. I don't think the constitution mentions sexual orientation |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. The state isn't endorsing here |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. It gives the appearance of state support, which is a sort of state support |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Since when did the Constitution give us a right not to be offended |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
81. Clearly, there is no right not to be offended |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. How |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #85 |
100. Her speech was vetted, so the content of her speech was a consideration |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 06:32 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. They had no business vetting the speech |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
50. State funds support public schools. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. So religious kids cannot talk about their faith at a public school |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. This is no discussion. it was a one woman proselytizing banjo show. nt |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. by a Valedictorian who earned it with the highest GPA |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. You're a little unclear about the significance of her award. It really is |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. she is, however, the student with the highest GPA |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. So? I'm sure dozens of others are right about there GPA wise. I am |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. In other words, you don't agree with what she had to say. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. You are putting words in my mouth. She was using a state sponsored |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. As an adult, she'll certainly have a right to do any of that |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Wow! She's ruined now forever, huh?!? This conservation is going nowhere, |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Go in peace, friend nt |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. My mother was the valedictorian in her graduating class, and she was |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. the irony is that Hitler would have quickly imprisoned this girl |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. As a member of the human community, you recognize CONTEXT. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Well, go in peace, friend |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 09:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
88. Sure they can. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. all public schools are "school sponsored forums w/ a captive audience" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. "you're saying evangelicals cannot evangelize at any public schools." |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. We do agree on that |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:12 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I'm a rational person, and I construe it as such. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I guess that is where we part ways |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
87. How is state money being used here |
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eagler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. I fully agree |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah for them... |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. I attended a graduation ceremony in Texas and I was |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. I approve wholeheartedly |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
6. This is garbage. |
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Lefty-Taylor (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Please.That's quite a leap in logic -- that is, to say the next step would |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is wonderful - |
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DocSavage (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. Get real |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Your zealotry tips your hand... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
89. There's no "separation of personal political ideology and state". |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. I disagree too. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yes, but it was a state-sponsored forum. It was not appropriate. What |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. The forum might be state-sponsored, but the speech wasn't. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. so she can talk about human-dog sex, good at least you are consistent. |
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Lefty-Taylor (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
44. Exactly. Or can you imagine if she were a Muslim and they'd let her speak? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. IT has always been my understanding |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. So if a liberal student talked about how wonderful it was to be liberal |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. I think it's bad taste on her part, for sure. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. In my opinion, the speaker has the right to speak. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. And how popular would the people in the audience be who |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Who cares? If you don't care enough to speak out, you don't care. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. But who did cry foul? Those that did not agree with turning off the mike. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. She is the valedictorian. They are not. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. She was using her speech to proselytize, which was not acceptable. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. According to who? nt |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. According to those to whom she submitted her speech beforehand. |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Yes, I agree |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Oh but of course. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
20. Well, she is certainly a liar. She submitted and attested to a speech |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. how very christian of her! |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-17-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I will certainly agree on that point - she did lie, and broke the rules |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
28. Right-wingers think getting a chance to give a speech means going |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
41. To all those who favor the district here |
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Lefty-Taylor (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Sorry. But that makes no difference to me. The minute she would have |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. If Christian students cannot discuss their faith in a public forum |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. This was no discussion, she was using her forum to proselytize. nt |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. As a student, she can use her speech to proselytize if she wants |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Then why did she lie? nt |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Why did she have to lie? nt |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Because those were the rules. She considered that her sky people |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. the rules were unfair and restrictive |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. They were the rules though. Where is Cindy Sheehan doing anything |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. She pledged to carry out non-violent civil disobedience last Oct. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
96. Because, as I just explained above, if they had approved THIS speech... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
49. Personally, I think the religious wingnut fundies have ruined this |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. If you gotta spew... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. LOL! Sad state of affairs, what century is it again? nt |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
74. I don't have any problem with positive religion speeches |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
86. self-delete. nt |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
91. Of course they cut the mike - they were afraid of getting sued! |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Exactly, once off script she could start saying how Jesus hates fags and |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 06:40 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Obviously the legal ramifications are the reason the mic was cut... |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-19-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. It depends on what she might have said. We'll never know. Fred Phelps |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
94. Onward Christian Liars... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-18-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Oh, she's a liar all right. But here's the twist: |
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