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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:00 AM
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Bush says Hungary is an example for Iraq to follow

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Bush says Hungary is an example for Iraq to follow


BUDAPEST, June 22 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush praised Hungary's bloody 1956 uprising against communist rule on Thursday and said the country's eventual success in ousting authoritarian rule was a shining example for Iraq to follow.

Just weeks before Bush visits Russia amid U.S. concern that Moscow is backsliding on democracy, he praised Hungary as a "beacon of liberty" in a speech delivered at the heart of a region that was under Moscow's control for decades.

He compared Iraq's struggle to develop into a democracy to Hungary's effort to bring down communist rule 50 years ago and said Iraqis would need the same kind of patience as Hungarians as they try to establish a thriving democracy.

"Hungary represents the triumph of liberty over tyranny," Bush said in a speech on a hill from where Soviet troops fired on the capital Budapest in 1956 to put down the uprising.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:04 AM
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1. Soooo, we will be there as occupiers for 35 years, huh? That's the plan?
As our feckless leader recently asked a hand-picked crowd,
"Well, that just makes sense to me, doesn't it?"
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:28 PM
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12. So Russian Thug Troops = Bush Thug Troops
Well, both of these groups kill and torture children

Sounds about right coming form the mouth and brain of a

CHIMPANZEE
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:39 PM
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18. I loved the Hungarian reaction to his visit.
didja catch his expression?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 03:08 AM
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26. No I missed it.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:05 AM
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2. The Hungarians did it alone.......
big difference.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:06 AM
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3. The Hungarians were the insurgents, fighting the Soviet puppet state.
The Hungarian revolt didn't succeed 50 years ago, because it was suppressed by the intervention of Soviet tanks and military, protecting its imposed government.
Who wrote this speech? What an idiot.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:10 AM
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4. You're right; Bush is wrong.
What a surprise. When I read that, I wondered what the hell he was talking about.

I have some pictures from the 1956 uprising. It was a big deal when I was a kid.

Tanks in the streets. I'll post one later.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:53 PM
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15. It didn't succeed because the US neglected to follow through with help
after they instigated the uprising via Radio Free Europe, assuring them of US assistance.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:31 PM
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16. Yes, you're right.
Didn't Bush's main speechwriter Michael Gerson leave the White House? Of course, we can't expect Bush to know any european history. ANY history, for that matter. But SOMEBODY's getting paid to think.

Expect more of the same since Bush's historian is gone.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:15 AM
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5. Pictures of Russian tanks in 1956:






What would the current pictures look like? American tanks in Baghdad?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:18 AM
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6. 'Bring 'em on," said the USaSR chimperor tyrant idiot.

Same old. Same old. Others word$. Same old. :grr:
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:35 AM
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7. How dare he tell Hungary or the world that they should be rebuilding Iraq?
The unmitigated gaul of Bush and his buddies to be lecturing the world on their responsibilities! Chimpy has destroyed the infrastructure of Iraq and now is trying to shame the rest of the world into cleaning up his mess.....He is beyond belief!!!!!
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:50 AM
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8. So, he's encouraging Iraqis to rise up against a foreign occupation?
I see. It's all clear to me now.

Bring it on!
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:08 PM
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9. That's what I saw...
Bush telling Iraqi's to rise against foreign oppressors. The whitless twit hasn't a clue of which he speaks....
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:44 PM
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13. funny I am thinking the same thing...he is encouraging the Iraqis
to expel US Troops by force if necessary.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:25 PM
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10. is this right??

Bush says the Iraqis should be inspired by the Hungarians??
HUNGARY - The facts:
1. Hungary was occupied by another country.(Soviet Union)
2. They fought back on their own without outside help.
3. They eventually EARNED their freedom.


IRAQ - The facts:
1. Iraq was occupied by another country. (US)
2. They should fight back against their occupation? Really? Fight the US? Well, they ARE doing that..so I guess that leads to ??
3. They EARN their freedom from their oppressors....both internal and external.

So explain to me again what we're doing in Iraq in the first place???
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:26 PM
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11. A shining example...for WHO to follow?
I can think of some "authoritarian rule" that needs to be ousted...much closer to home.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:53 PM
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14. How blindingly stupid ...
Hungarians had been fighting for independence since the 19th century from the Austrians, Romanians, British (the usual monarchy shit), Nazis and the Russians -- What a foul beast you are, Mr. Chimp.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:39 PM
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17. Yep, an example that we would be
inspired to follow as far as ousting authoritarian rule. The kind that deprive people of their fundamental and constitutional rights. The kind that fix elections. The kind that serves a ruling class on the back of the rest. The kind that wage war for profit. You know... that kind.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:49 PM
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19. what complete and utter lunacy
one might almost think he's encouraging the iraqis to rise up and overthrow the american occupiers.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 03:52 PM
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20. He is, but he's too fuckin' stupid to realize it.
god help us
:eyes:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:28 PM
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21. god damn, that moron dumb fuck* never ceases to amaze me..
with his out right stupidity, very poor examples and lack of historic remembrance.

But then again moron* was just a young twit when the soviets rolled in and well you know, he* didn't start reading until well after his* 16th birthday.

colossal racist chickenhawk fuckwit failure*
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:27 PM
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23. According to Bush, Saddam is Iraq's version of Imre Nagy
while Bush is Nikita Khrushchev. Hmmmm.... does Bush even realize what he just said?
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:27 PM
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22. They did follow Hungary's example.
They got brutally invaded and occupied didn't they? :shrug:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 05:52 PM
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24. They're following that example extremely well, putting up a much
more determined & lenghty fight against their oppressor--the USA.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:01 PM
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25. Ah yes, the king of false analogies strikes again
And this one is REALLY backwards.
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-23-06 08:20 AM
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27. The Path to Victory is Now Clear
The Iraqi people must now start throwing Molotov cocktails at the Al Quida tanks in their streets! This president has no sense of history and no sense of irony.
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