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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:21 PM
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Belgian court condemn two men for online revisionism
BRUSSELS (EJP)--- A Brussels criminal court sentenced two employees of the Belgian Islamic Centre to 10 months jail on Wednesday. They were convicted for inciting race hatred against Jews by spreading revisionist and xenophobic texts via the centre's website.

The plaintiffs’ lawyers said the sentence was “memorable”.

Abdel Rahman Ayachi, 26, and Raphaël Gendron, 30, run the centre's website. When leaving the courtroom, they said the “Jewish lobby” had “inspired” the complaint.

Besides the jail terms, they were each ordered to pay a fine of 15,000 euros and deposit 2,500 euros into the account of the “Centre for Equal Opportunities and Fight Against to Racism”.

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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:23 PM
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1. Boy, the Europeans don't put up with that kind of crap, do they?
While here you can have any number of "kill the Jews" websites you want to.

Ah, free speech.

Redstone
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Scorpio2000 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:26 PM
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2. The Battle's just begun
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 06:27 PM by Scorpio2000
European warning shots across the Islamist bow.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:28 PM
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3. Belgians show their intolerance for free speech
I haven't seen the material in question personally, but even if it is highly hateful, if it's just being put on private websites and whatnot, I don't see any reason for massive fines and attacks.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:30 PM
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4. Hate speech is regulated in this country, as well.
I guess anyone should be able to say anything, anywhere they please, no matter how incendiary.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:34 PM
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5. Absolutely, as long as its done under private auspice
That's free speech, believe it or not!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:50 PM
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9. Belgium was occupied by Nazi Germany. Belgium today wants to
eradicate any resurgence of Nazi politics. Their laws do not conform to free speech as we know it here, but it's not an arbitrary or groundless crackdown.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:44 PM
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8. Hate speech is NOT regulated in the US.
You can say whatever you want, whenever you want, and not one prosecutor in this country can harm you. If they try, the ACLU will have a horde of lawyers on your doorstep to help you defeat them and put them in their place.

The only speech that is restricted in the US is speech that it directly threatening harm (you can't threaten to kill anyone, or yell fire in a theatre because the "expected response" will injure people), or speech that directly harms an individual (if I accused you falsely of being a child molester, for example, I could be sued and prosecuted for libel).

Other than that, you're free to say anything you want. The fact that Klan rallies still occur is proof of that.
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Scorpio2000 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:35 PM
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6. Learn from the past
Given Europe's recent history, they're a bit sensitve to the promotion of Anti-semitism.
Even if it comes from members of the Religion of Peace (TM)
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:01 PM
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11. You show islamophobia while talking about antisemitism
All in one sentence. Come on!
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Scorpio2000 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 09:46 PM
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12. Don't you believe moselms when they say they want to kill jews?
"You show islamophobia while talking about antisemitism"

LOL!!! We are talking about Islamists threatening Jews...It's not islamophobia, it's IslamoReality
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:44 PM
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7. No, they show their intolerance for Nazi filth.
Edited on Thu Jun-22-06 06:44 PM by Jim Sagle
Your mileage may vary.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 08:14 PM
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10. It's good to know that not everyone
is a hate monger. I wonder if our country will ever wake up to our collective humanity?
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