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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:42 PM Original message |
Iran denies supplying rocket that hit ship |
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jean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. Would you be surprised if it was one of ours? No. |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Aren't Israeli planes and bombs US made? |
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jean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I don't know, but have read that we do supply weaponry to them. |
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heliarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
59. At least 46 billion in military aid since 1950 |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Some are and some aren't. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 07:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
71. I think it was a Chinese Silkworm rocket. (nt) |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. Of Course They Do, Ma'am: It Would Be Disappointing If They Did Not |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. hahaha, I couldn't have said it better myself! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
56. Exactly. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 04:59 AM Response to Reply #56 |
76. "Would they really say, 'Yep! We did it!'?" |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
91. It would be equally.. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Who me? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. I read elsewhere it was a drone aircraft (made in Iran). |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. There are no Israeli ships visible on TV images from Beirut today |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Anti-shipping missiles are great equalizers. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Our Fifth Fleet will see plenty of those coming at them in the Persian |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. That's one of the main reasons the Joint Chiefs won't let that happen. |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Didn't the Argentinians get lucky against the Royal Navy with those? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. An Exocet sank the UK frigate HMS Sheffield |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. That missile failed to explode actually as have most of the Exocets used |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. Apparently, the rocket fuel left in the missile set it ablaze |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
90. Exocet? |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. More than once, and one hit the U.S.S. Stark as well |
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eablair3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. I'd be surprised if the US takes any action against Iran (or N Korea) |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Wire guided missiles don't work very well when flying over water |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Who told you that a TOW doesn't work over water? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. The Taiwanese have demonstrated TOWs against shipping |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. How does water mess with the fiber optic cable? |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. I didn't say it can't be done. I said it doesn't work very well. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Wouldn't accuracy also be degraded over land the same way? eom |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Sure but for different reasons |
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Phrogman (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
70. Some torpedos are wire guided |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #70 |
94. What do I now? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. Iranian? Please, it was probably CHINESE....!!!!!! |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Looks like it... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Of course, Israel doesn't care what happens to US troops in Iraq |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Of course... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
61. Fox News confirmed |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. That was my first guess as well |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well OK then. That settles that I guess. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. post #43 |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. The Anti-Christ made the missle!!!!! |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. I wonder how vulnerable U.S. ships are in the gulf? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. On a clear day, you can see across the Straits of Hormuz |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. And gasoline will be $10 a gallon, if you can find it |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Those are nice pictures |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 03:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
74. Here's a map with the shipping channels and range of a Silkworm missile |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Oh, Don't You Know, We Have The Block 1 Section B Whizbang Super-Duper |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. That's a very good question. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 02:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. These Weapons Sure Seem To Be 'Lucky' |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Their ECM are simply ineffective against missiles fired at close range. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. This Is Supposedly The Class Of Ship Hit |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The Phalanx has a poor track record |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. So, In Your Opinion, What Is The US Navy Planning To Counter |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. The U.S. would have to clear the entire battlespace along the Iran coast |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. One Hell Of A Bet, Isn't It? |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. 3 words: Operation Praying Mantis |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. That's why Iran hasn't acquired new surface combatants |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. We could always enter the strait prior to the development of hostilities |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Good idea! Let's bottle up the Fifth Fleet in the Gulf |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. I think it would be a little more difficult than shooting fish in a barrel |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. American "supremacy" is a myth! |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
93. I said "American naval supremacy", not "American supremacy." nt |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
82. Navy has been going to RAM - point defense missiles |
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joe_shmoe (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. **PETITION AGAINST MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN** |
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eablair3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
38. Israeli warship being towed into port |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
40. So.. Lebanon is being hit with our military devices.. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. "The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity" - Fox Tactic |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. C802 radar-guided missiles are made in China |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. So They Wrongfully Blame Iran |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Chinese missile technology is sold in the global arms market |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Iran buys almost all of its military technology from China and Russia. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. How exactly does Israel invade Iran? |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Airstrikes and Long Range Missiles? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Americans won't pay $10 at the pump to support Israeli machismo |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I Hope So... |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. It will hurt China too. They are very depednent on Iranian oil & nat. gas |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Israel can't sustain any attacks against Iran without direct US support |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Invading suggests occupying and everybody agrees that boots on the ground |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
80. Yugoslavia didn't have the underlying historical baggage Iran does. |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
92. I don't see the logic in worrying about "knocking out their government" |
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Miss Chybil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
68. This all seems like a set-up to me. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Yes indeed--- FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 05:05 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. 7. Seven Canadians |
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Peeves (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Civilian casualties are an inevitability when dealing with |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. imagine that |
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Peeves (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Gee, how do you respond to that? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. gee, I guess neither of us knows |
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Peeves (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. You make it sound as if ... |
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Miss Chybil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. A terrorist is, as a terrorist does. |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. DING! DING! DING! YOU HAVE A BINGO! |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
89. Don't forget the Lebanese doctor & brother kidnapped by Israel |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
75. No kidding? |
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RCinBrooklyn (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-17-06 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
86. Can you say, "Gulf of Tonkin? n/t |
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