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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:14 PM
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Soldiers say ordered to kill young (Iraqi) men

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Iraq_Soldiers_Charged.html

Soldiers say ordered to kill young men

EL PASO, Texas -- Four U.S. soldiers accused of murdering suspected insurgents during a raid in Iraq said they were under orders to "kill all military age males," according to sworn statements obtained by The Associated Press.

The soldiers first took some of the men into custody because they were using two women and a toddler as human shields. They shot three of the men after the women and child were safe and say the men attacked them.

"The ROE (rule of engagement) was to kill all military age males on Objective Murray," Staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard told investigators, referring to the target by its code name.

That target, an island on a canal in the northern Salahuddin province, was believed to be an al-Qaida training camp. The soldiers said officers in their chain of command gave them the order and explained that special forces had tried before to target the island and had come under fire from insurgents.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:17 PM
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1. umm...
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:17 PM
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2. Wow, just Wow!
"The ROE (rule of engagement) was to kill all military age males on Objective Murray," Staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard told investigators, referring to the target by its code name."
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:20 PM
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3. Sounds like a War Crime to me.Should be prosecuted UP the chain of command
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:21 PM
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4. Now we know
Why the military has constantly said that the ROE were classified.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:23 PM
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5. It just keeps getting worse and worse
Why does Rummie still have a job?

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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:49 PM
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12. Why does Rummie still have a job?
because he makes real the fantasies of maniacs.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:24 PM
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6. Now just what exactly is the difference
between this and the actions of the Waffen SS?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:39 PM
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7. Einsatzgruppen
Edited on Fri Jul-21-06 04:40 PM by formercia
http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/

On June 22, 1941, the German army invaded Soviet territory. They did not enter alone - small units of SS and police, some three thousand men in all, were also dispatched on special assignments. Their task to kill the Jews on the spot - Jews, but not only Jews; communists, Gypsies, political leaders, and the intelligentsia were also killed. Order police battalions, Waffen SS units, the Higher SS, and Police Leaders also carried out the mass executions.

Their primary targets, Jews, were concentrated in the areas within easy reach of the German army. Almost nine in ten Jews were urbanized, living in large cities where the rapid advance of the army and the swift action of the mobile killing units left them unaware of their fate, paralyzed, unable to act.

There were five stages to the killing. The invasion was followed immediately by the roundup of Jews and other intended victims. Those rounded up were marched to the outskirts of the city where they were shot. Their bodies were buried in mass graves - large ditches were filled with bodies or people who had been shot one by one and buried layer upon layer.

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:42 PM
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9. the waffen had cooler uniforms
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:42 PM
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8. If so, it was an illegal order
And they were required to disobey it.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:44 PM
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11. Yes, we see what happens
to the ones that are refusing illegal orders.
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 04:44 PM
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10. I am so ashamed of our government and military leaders. n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 05:04 PM
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13. Accused soldiers say they were ordered to kill
EL PASO — Four U.S. soldiers accused of murdering suspected insurgents during a raid in Iraq said they were under orders to "kill all military age males," according to sworn statements obtained by The Associated Press.

The soldiers first took some of the men into custody because they were using two women and a toddler as human shields. They shot three of the men after the women and child were safe and say the men attacked them.

"The ROE (rule of engagement) was to kill all military age males on Objective Murray," Staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard told investigators, referring to the target by its code name.

That target, an island on a canal in the northern Salahuddin province, was believed to be an al-Qaida training camp. The soldiers said officers in their chain of command gave them the order and explained that special forces had tried before to target the island and had come under fire from insurgents.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4063734.html
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 05:28 PM
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14. This news may be more fuel on the fire in the ME. Cripes, I'd be
surprised if this doesn't lead to an escalation on top of the US "support" for Israels actions in Lebanon. There's that Bushco, uniting folks again. :argh:
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 05:49 PM
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15. The bush admin will fight for this to be legalized to fight the war on
terror.

Told ya'll he was a mass murderer.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 05:53 PM
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16. Let's hear names!
In war crimes, command responsibility goes up the chain of command!
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 06:05 PM
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17. Friday Afternoon on the Pacific Coast again
news management in action
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 10:31 PM
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18. More media coverage!
I want media coverage of everything that has happened. More more more. #$@**#)!*#& them all, more media coverage, remove these murdering amoral people from running this country!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 10:12 AM
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19. kick
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 11:57 AM
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20. Sorta like killing all the first born males of Israel in the OT?
I guess that's from where our military gets its instructions?
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