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Stevious Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:44 AM
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Chavez hails Russia for defying US with arms sale
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez hailed Russia on Wednesday for defying a U.S. arms blockade by agreeing to sell fighter aircraft to his country.

Chavez will sign a $1 billion deal to buy at least 24 Russian Sukhoi-30 jets to replace oil-rich Venezuela's U.S. F-16s.

Washington has banned U.S. arms manufacturers from selling to Chavez. The U.S. says the populist leader, who proclaims socialist ideals to unite South America against U.S. influence, is destabilizing the region.

U.S. officials hoped to talk Russia out of the arms deals, but relations between Moscow and Washington are cool. Senior Kremlin officials say they see no reason to take advice from the United States.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060726/ts_nm/russia_venezuela_dc_1
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 12:17 PM
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1. Defy? Did Russia DEFY the United States? Are we that big
Edited on Wed Jul-26-06 12:17 PM by acmavm
a bad ass country that Russia DEFIED us with the jet sales?

I doubt it.

edit: To clarify the fact that I think Putin and Russia don't give a rat's ass what we think.
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Sadie5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:11 PM
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2. ALL the countries are turning against us
Will we have any allies left after * gets done with destroying our reputation? We can't sell to Chavez but Israel is a different story.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:53 AM
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15. That's because they KILL those Pesky Islamics
Our enemies in the war of Cleansing the middle east
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PinkUnicorn Donating Member (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 07:23 AM
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16. Oh, I don't know
edit: To clarify the fact that I think Putin and Russia don't give a rat's ass what we think.

Monkey boy basically shafted the Russians in regards to the WTO in a fit of pique (The "Just wait" comment), so Putin is probably totally enjoying every squeal and feeble whimper coming out of the US govt - payback is a bitch, and Russians are very good at it. Though I'm curious though when he will cry and whine about a certain other country who are _masters_ of long term payback - the Chinese.


Bush and Co are playing with an empty hand, the rest of the world knows it (apart from a few toadies) and are thoroughly enjoying poking the monkey with a stick to make it screech and do the funny little dance. It does wonders for their own domestic support.

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:38 AM
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19. You are also making the same point that I am whether you
understand that or not.

The article states that what Russia did was an act of defiance. And I am saying not defiance at all, they don't give a damn what bush** & Co. want. It's of totally no interest to them to jump when the neos say jump.

And as far as the WTO, of course Russia is mad. The bush** administration can't afford to have Russia join the WTO. They can't afford a member who's not afraid of them, who's more than likely to vote contrary to the wishes of the criminal cabal.

But as far as Putin not caring, Russia not caring, the truth is they never have. They gave the bush** admin a warning on what to expect when going into Afganistan. bush** came across as being an arrogant fuck thinking that he could succeed where the Russians failed. (And the Afgans had American assistance during those days so we definitely contributed to that failure.)

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:19 PM
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3. Russia rejects US demand to review defence deal with Venezuela
Russia rejects US demand to review defence deal with Venezuela

Moscow, July 26. (PTI): Russia today rejected the US demand to review the sale of multi-role Sukhoi Su MK-30 fighter jets and helicopter gunships to Venezuela, saying it will honour the one billion dollar contract.

"Reviewing the contract is absolutely out of the question. In my opinion, the 24 planes and some helicopters recorded in the contract are not excessive for the defence of a small country such as Venezuela," Russian Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said.

The deputy spokesman of the US State Department Tom Casey had yesterday said the Bush administration wanted Russia to review the deal.

Russia has supplied Venezuela with Kalashnikov assault rifles in addition to the billion-dollar combat aircraft deal.
(snip/...)

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/003200607262110.htm
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LivingInTheBubble Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:19 PM
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4. Can we review the US arm deals going on at the moment please.
Many lives would be saved.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:19 PM
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5. Heh. Don't F**k with Pootie Poot, Bunnypants.
That was an A-B conversation and you need to C yourself out!
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:19 PM
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6. The Emperor is not an emperor. He better count his own chickens and
not worry about someone else's.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:19 PM
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7. How much longer before the US beefs up shipments to Colombia?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:19 PM
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8. That's the question. nt
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:19 PM
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9. JBO, you incompetent piece of dogs**t. Just Butt Out!
perhaps a positive result of impending U.S. bankruptcy is that it will be too poor to meddle in other countries' business.
better you tend to the wounded, poor, uninsured ill, and falsely imprisoned/held without trial people in your own back yard, you despicable, clueless oaf, than challenge the legitimate right of a country to pick itself up by its bootstraps and resist your murderous and greedy plans for dirty dealing, plunder, and mayhem.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:23 PM
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10. Russia rebuffs U.S. call to rethink $1bln Venezuela arms deal
World
Russia rebuffs U.S. call to rethink $1bln Venezuela arms deal
15:50 | 26/ 07/ 2006

RYAZAN REGION, July 26 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's defense minister ruled out Wednesday reconsidering a $1 billion contracts on supplies of military planes and helicopters to Venezuela.

Tom Casey, a deputy spokesman for the U.S. State Department, said Tuesday that President George Bush's administration wanted Russia to review the deals. He said the weapons purchases Venezuela planned exceeded the country's demands and did not contribute to regional stability.

But Sergei Ivanov, who is also a deputy prime minister of Russia, said, "Reviewing the contract is absolutely out of the question. In my opinion, the 24 planes and the number of helicopters recorded in the contract are not excessive for the defense of a small country such as Venezuela."
(snip/...)

http://en.rian.ru/world/20060726/51864682.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:24 PM
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11. Russia's cooperation with Venezuela meets international rights standards
Russia's cooperation with Venezuela meets international rights standards

RBC, 26.07.2006, Moscow 16:37:25.Russia's military and technical cooperation with Venezuela, as well as with other countries, is conducted in accordance with international rights regulations and Russian legislation, Mikhail Kamynin, spokesman for Russia's Foreign Ministry, said today, commenting on the statement made by Tom Casey, spokesman for the US Department of State. In his statement Tom Casey expressed the US discontent regarding the contract between Russia and Venezuela for supplies of SU-30 fighter aircraft and helicopters. Casey said that armament acquisition planned by Caracas exceeded its defense needs.
(snip/...)

http://www.rbcnews.com/free/20060726163725.shtml
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:26 PM
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13. No revision of contracts on copters export to Venezuela - Ivanov
No revision of contracts on copters export to Venezuela - Ivanov

26.07.2006, 14.54

RYAZAN, July 26 (Itar-Tass) - Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov has ruled out revision of contracts on export of Russia’s planes and helicopters to Venezuela.

“Any revision of contracts on military exports to Venezuela is ruled out,” he said.

“Twenty-four planes is not redundant for such a large country as Venezuela as well as the amount of helicopters envisioned by the contract,” Ivanov said.
(snip)

http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=10656791&PageNum=0

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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 02:25 PM
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12. Bush has banned U.S. arms manufacturers from selling to Chavez
What's the beef? :shrug:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:04 AM
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17. Bush wants as little resistance as possible to invade Venezuela.
Edited on Thu Jul-27-06 08:08 AM by w4rma
Can't have a working democracy that refuses to help right-wing crooks inside the CIA sell drugs in America can he?

Can't have a working democracy with working unions not being assassinated by right-wing paramilitarists in the Americas can he?

The only use Bush sees for South America is cheap labor.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 03:47 AM
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14. Reuters: Chavez to boost Russian arms orders to $3 bln: paper
Chavez to boost Russian arms orders to $3 bln: paper

Reuters
Thursday, July 27, 2006; 4:22 AM

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez will sign deals on Thursday
for fighters, missiles and guns worth $3 billion during his visit to Russia,
defying a U.S. arms blockade, a newspaper reported.

Chavez, set to cement ties with Russia at a Kremlin meeting with President Vladimir
Putin, has hailed Russia for defying pleas from the United States to reconsider
the sales.

-snip-

But Sergei Chemezov, head of Russian state arms trader Rosoboronexport, said
Venezuela would finalize deals worth $3 billion, the Vedomosti business daily reported.

On top of an expected deal to buy at least 24 Russian Sukhoi-30 jets to replace
Venezuela's U.S. F-16s, Venezuela will buy helicopters, surface-to-air missiles and
possibly even a submarine, Vedomosti said, citing Russian defense sources.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/27/AR2006072700148.html
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 08:07 AM
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18. Of course the U.S. is the
only country in the world with any say as to what sovereign nations do. Consequently, Venezuela has no right to buy arms to defend itself! How dare they!

:sarcasm:

Rock on Hugo!
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