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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:16 AM
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WP: Bush Team Casts Foes as Defeatist (new accusations against Dems)
Those cocks in the White House are now accusing Dems of wanting to cut off funding for the war while the troops are still in the field! Not one Dem has even hinted at that! What a bunch of incompetent lying crooks!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/30/AR2006083003177.html

Bush Team Casts Foes as Defeatist
Blunt Rhetoric Signals a New Thrust

By Peter Baker and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, August 31, 2006; A01

President Bush and his surrogates are launching a new campaign intended to rebuild support for the war in Iraq by accusing the opposition of aiming to appease terrorists and cut off funding for troops on the battlefield, charges that many Democrats say distort their stated positions.

With an appearance before the American Legion in Salt Lake City today, Bush will begin a series of speeches over 20 days centered on the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. But he and his top lieutenants have foreshadowed in recent days the thrust of the effort to put Democrats on the defensive with rhetoric that has further inflamed an already emotional debate.

Bush suggested last week that Democrats are promising voters to block additional money for continuing the war. Vice President Cheney this week said critics "claim retreat from Iraq would satisfy the appetite of the terrorists and get them to leave us alone." And Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, citing passivity toward Nazi Germany before World War II, said that "many have still not learned history's lessons" and "believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased."

Pressed to support these allegations, the White House yesterday could cite no major Democrat who has proposed cutting off funds or suggested that withdrawing from Iraq would persuade terrorists to leave Americans alone. But White House and Republican officials said those are logical interpretations of the most common Democratic position favoring a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:18 AM
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1. Oh, give that son of a
bitch enough rope and he'll fucking hang himself.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:07 AM
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16. Here is the PIG Boy who spews this shit
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 10:08 AM by saigon68
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:23 PM
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18. Pigsty boy! as he
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 12:40 PM by zidzi
should be remembered with the epitaph.. "Here lies America's Toyko Rose Wannabe..he tried hard but couldn't quite get it up."

Edit~ Ooops! I got my Pigsty boys mixed up..I was thinking limpbaugh and I just realized that's rover. My bad.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:51 PM
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22. I don't blame ya for the mix-up.
Those two do look alike in some ways.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:19 AM
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2. This is how the MSM works
You get down into the story, and you find it's all a giant piece o' crock. But you've got the headline staring you right in the face in its 42-point type: "Bush Team Casts Foes as Defeatist." For Joe Sixpack who only scans the paper ("Reading is tough! Let's go shopping"), the headline is what sticks with him, and the GOP has, once again, gotten its message out.
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leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:22 AM
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4. I thought we were fascist?
Even low-key Nazis.

Now we are also "defeatist?"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:26 AM
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8. the WH spokeswomen is 'predicting' what she thinks Dems will do if take
over congress. So the headline reflects that.




......"A lot of the people who say we need to withdraw from Iraq say we'll be safer, and I don't think that's accurate," said Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman, a key architect of the party's strategy heading into the fall congressional campaign. Mehlman noted that al-Qaeda leaders and other Islamic radicals have said they want to drive Americans out of Iraq and use it as a base. "We ought to not ignore when they say they're going to do that."

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said it is reasonable for Bush to presume that Democrats will try to cut off funding for the war if they take over Congress, noting that 54 House Democrats voted against a spending bill for military operations last year. "How would they force the president to withdraw troops?" she asked. "Yell?"

Democrats contended that the statements went too far. "Maybe there are some people in America who do not want to fight the war on terror, but I do not know them," Sen. Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.), chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said yesterday. "We Democrats want to fight a very strong war on terror. No one has talked about appeasement."

The White House strategy of equating Democratic dissent with defeatism worked during the 2002 and 2004 elections, but it could prove more difficult this time. Some Republicans, such as Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn.), line up with Democrats in seeking a timetable for a withdrawal from Iraq. When Bush and his allies accuse those favoring such a timetable of "self-defeating pessimism," as Cheney put it this week, they risk spraying friendly fire on some of their own candidates.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:29 AM
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11. It's better than "Democrats Are Defeatist" !!!
This is a very skeptical article I think.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:44 AM
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13. Works the same w/ soundbites, if not more effectively nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:21 AM
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3. does anyone know if televised or what time this speech is at?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:22 AM
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5. And here's what was ACTUALLY said that media ignores to help spin for Bush
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 09:26 AM by blm
There is no defeatism in the remarks - just truth and real patriotism.

April2006 - Kerry:


http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=254631


>>>>>

The true defeatists today are not those who call for recognizing the facts on the ground in Iraq. The true defeatists are those who believe America is so weak that it must sacrifice its principles to the pursuit of illusory power.

The true pessimists today are not those who know that America can handle the truth about the Administration’s boastful claim of “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq. The true pessimists are those who cannot accept that America’s power and prestige depend on our credibility at home and around the world. The true pessimists are those who do not understand that fidelity to our principles is as critical to national security as our military power itself.

And the most dangerous defeatists, the most dispiriting pessimists, are those who invoke September 11th to argue that our traditional values are a luxury we can no longer afford.

>>>>>>
So now, as in 1971, we are engaged in another fight to live the truth and make our own government accountable. As in 1971, this is another moment when American patriotism demands more dissent and less complacency in the face of bland assurances from those in power.


We must insist now that patriotism does not belong to those who defend a President’s position—it belongs to those who defend their country. Patriotism is not love of power; it is love of country. And sometimes loving your country demands you must tell the truth to power. This is one of those times.


Lives are on the line. Lives have been lost to bad decisions – not decisions that could have gone either way, but decisions that constitute basic negligence and incompetence. And lives continue to be lost because of stubbornness and pride.


We support the troops—the brave men and women who have always protected us and do so today—in part by honoring their service, and in part by making sure they have everything they need both in battle and after they have borne the burden of battle.


But I believe now as strongly and proudly as I did thirty-five years ago that the most important way to support the troops is to tell the truth, and to ensure we do not ask young Americans to die in a cause that falls short of the ideals of this country.


When we protested the war in Vietnam some would weigh in against us saying: “My country right or wrong.” Our response was simple: “Yes, my country right or wrong. When right, keep it right and when wrong, make it right.” And that’s what we must do again today.

# # #

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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:25 AM
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6. You know what?
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 09:25 AM by Akoto
If it means savings thousands of lives - both American and Iraqi - and setting our focus back on actually improving our country, then yes, I'm a defeatist. Set a timetable and pull 'em out.
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WillieDee Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:25 AM
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7. We need a one-sentence counter this charge...
We will need to produce a simple and consistent response to match what I assume will be a simple and consistent charge.






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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:27 AM
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9. "clean your ears out"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:27 AM
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10. Read last lines in post #5.
.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:06 AM
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15. I'm not countering shit
Congress NEEDS to stop the damn bleeding and people are sick of throwing billions a week down the drain.

Do it a little at a time, and presto, Rumsfeld's war party has to finally come to an end, because he's out of kegs of beer.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:35 AM
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12. And I Cast Him and His GOP as Traitors
my patience is worn thinner than ever. What a disgusting little man he is.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:05 AM
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14. Um, that's how Viet Nam ended.
Congress finally put the brakes on spending and starved the damn catastrophe to death.

THAT is exactly what needs to happen right now, and the junta KNOWS that is what congress is going to start doing.
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:19 PM
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17. How about
"Republicans are Suicidal" because that's the only way they can be continuing on a crash-course for utterly getting cheesed.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:23 PM
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19. "The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents
appear as if they belonged to one category." - Adolf Hitler
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:59 PM
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20. invading a country after lying to the people is defeatist
as is releasing a CIA agents undercover identify to protect the lies.

as is sitting on the sidelines while NO is ravaged and destroyed by a storm.

as is ignoring Global Warming.
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:21 PM
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21. Man, not the deep fear..
and lies these criminals have regurgitated since the beginning - WTF dark demon-inator/demon-graphic they aiming for again? They are just insane. This past week has 'em all out there, front'n center - the "Bush-War Criminals" - we got 'em on tape for history - or what's left of it if they get their way. Anyway, great footage to mine for the up-comming elections!

"Must...try...not...be...clever"

:kick:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:45 PM
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24. welcome to DU Marrak
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 06:04 PM
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23. the Republicans have allowed the terrorists to win. they've allowed the
terrorists to run roughshod over our grand Constitution, they've allowed the terrorists to take away our privacy, our freedom to fly, our freedom to make phone calls, our freedom to drink water on planes... little by little, the Republican party is destroying our way of life as they enable the terrorists to enact their stupid plans.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:47 PM
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25. Dems are guilty of appeasement all right -- Appeasing a Fascist Executive
It is time for the Democratic members of the House and Senate to fulfill their oath to support and defend the constitution by demanding Impeachment of bushcheney for their claims to, and exercise of, the unitary authoritarian power to
  • terrorize Americans with threats of Mushroom clouds;

  • commit war crimes;

  • spy on citizens without a warrant; and

  • rule by signing statement.


Unitary Authoritarian Power = Fascism

In the United States, the ONLY MORAL RESPONSE to a fascist executive
is to demand immediate Impeachment and removal.

Failure to do so is to appease the fascists.

Silence is complicity

It's pretty darn simple.



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