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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:32 AM
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Hizbullah: We're arming for second round
Hizbullah representative in Iran Muhammad Abdullah Sif al-Din, said Wednesday that Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah has a new strategic plan to rearm ahead of the "next round against Israel ."

In an interview with the Iranian news agency Fars, al-Din said: "No one can promise us that Israel won't attack again. Whoever lives as a neighbor to the Zionist regime is in danger and must not save any effort to obtain all of the means to defend himself. We are convinced that there still danger and the situation has not yet been solved. We must, all the time, prepare ourselves for self-defense and to plan for the next stage."

During an interview, al-Din was asked about Hizbullah's military situation after the war.

"Our situation is very good, the Israelis didn't manage to strike Hizbullah's military command and our ability to launch missiles. In the first days we launched 100 missiles and in recent days we fired 350 missiles a day. So we have no problem from a military perspective," he replied.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3297797,00.html
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:36 AM
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1. Gee, who could have predicted this? nt
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:44 AM
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2. During the July 12 conflict
I had a gut feeling, no facts, that Hezbollah was playing it's cards close and that they were not using their "biggest guns", ie during Gulf War1 when Saddam launched Scuds at Israel that same feeling said that was the best/worst he could do. Maybe hopefully I am wrong here, we'll see.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:10 AM
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7. Me too, there was an odd "feel" to the way it went. nt
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:45 AM
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3. I think the war was a tie, at best, for Israel
A case could be made that Hezbollah won.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:48 AM
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4. By TKO, I think.
Israel's bled a lot more in cash than men and machines, though. If Israel is slowed, it'll be the financial demands, more than anything else...
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:54 AM
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5. Hezbollah had a sneaky advantage
Hezbollah border-line fighters mastered Hebrew

By Amiram Barkat

<snip>

One IDF soldier, who serves in an Armored Corps brigade, cited as an example an incident that reportedly occured several weeks ago.

"We entered a forward point along the line to replace a faulty camera," said the soldier, who asked not to be identified.

"The Hezbollah men on the other side recognized us and asked us, shouting, where our company commander was. They used the company commanders' radio code name, and we understood from this that they hear and understand everything we say on the radio."

<end>

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/750483.html
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 01:01 PM
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37. guess those stupid dirty a-rab ragheads fooled them
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 02:48 PM
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40. The Aryans trained them well. n/t
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:58 AM
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33. As the loathsome Kissinger once said....
The guerilla wins if he does not lose; the state army loses if it does not win.

Peace
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 10:57 AM
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6. Here I thought they were going to become
farmers and shopkeepers.

Heck of a job, Ehud!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:54 AM
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8. Maybe if Israel would stop invading, they would become farmers and
shopkeepers.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:39 PM
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10. Well, they didn't between 2000 and 2006, so
that's not a serious likelihood.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:59 PM
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11. Probably a good thing for them, or else they would be buried in rubble
with all of the dead innocent Lebanese civilians.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:48 PM
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12. No Hezbollah, no invasion.
It's remarkable how people seem to forget that the entire reason for that invasion was to go after Hezbollah's private army.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:47 PM
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15. But historically, no invasion, no Hezbollah.
It's remarkable how people seem to forget the entire reason Hezbollah was formed in the first place.

Israel reaps what it sows.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:11 PM
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:39 PM
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21. Now they serve to protect what's left of Lebanon, and they have gained a
foothold among those that used to hate them, because of the most recent Israeli invasion.

Do you see yet how Israel fucked both itself and Lebanon with this latest invasion?
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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 07:19 PM
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48. They were formed
To destroy Israel. If their only goal was to get Israel out of Lebanon, they would have disarmed and ceased all terrorist acts after 2000.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:23 PM
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18. I know. It's like talking to a brick wall.
When it's pointed out that the only reason Israel goes into Lebanon is because of Hezbollah, the Hezbollah supporters reply that Hezbollah is needed to prevent Israel from going into Lebanon.

:crazy:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:26 PM
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19. And then they talk about the WB and Gaza as justification
for Hezbollah activities.

No word on whether Israel can bomb Beirut because of what Hamas does.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:33 PM
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20. Funny you should say that
Somebody here responded to me with the claim that Hezbollah was launching missiles into Israel because they were outraged with Israel's arrest of Hamas leaders.

:dunce:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:40 PM
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22. It is turning the commonly-believed, false propaganda on its head.
And it must be done.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 04:42 PM
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23. That's rich coming from someone who claims
that Syria isn't a dictatorship.
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OregonDem Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:21 AM
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31. Correct If Hezbolla wanted to defend Lebanon they would join the Leb. army
But because their goal is to destroy Israel, not defend Lebanon they don't. Otherwise why would they be launching rockets and crossing into Israel to kill and kidnap soldiers. The state of Israel was unprovokely attacked and they were justified in responding in order to defend their citizens from future attacks, just as we were justified in going after al-Queda after 9/11. I think they pulled out too soon, but now hopefully the International force can disarm Hezbollah.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:56 PM
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36. um, hezbollah was created because israel
INVADED AND OCCUPIED LEBANON FOR 20 YEARS! DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT?!?!?

ISRAEL is the agressor here!! egads...
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 02:39 PM
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39. so protecting its citzens is now aggression?
interesting

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:44 PM
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44. that's crap, you're not addressing my statement
i responded to the statement;

No Hezbollah, no invasion.

hezbollah was created IN RESPONCE TO israeli invasion and 20 year occupation.

what have i said here that you perceive as false?

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 07:14 PM
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47. why did Israel invade Lebanon
to set up a buffer zone during the Lebanonese civil war to protect its citizens from terrorists who had set up camp in southern Lebanon

I'm not defending what went on after the invasion but if I was in Israel at that time, I certainly wouldn't want a Syrian puppet state on my door step

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:43 AM
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25. And I thought (wrongly) It was only to kill a few Islamic Fascists
my bad
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 11:27 AM
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32. So much popcorn so little time...
Don't mind me, go on, I'm loving the entertainment...

:popcorn:
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:13 PM
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34. And what kind of military target is Haifa?
Is everyone there guilty and just asking to be indiscriminately shelled for weeks on end?
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bigluckyfeet Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:47 PM
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16. Hezbollahb Would Be a Fool
to do otherwise.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:07 PM
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9. Both sides will re-arm
Yesterday there was a report about Israel replenishing its weapon supplies as well. They were thinking of asking the U.S. for an extra $2 billion to do so.
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:54 PM
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13. just asking. . . .
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 01:54 PM by QuettaKid
does anyone know if Israel has to repay all of the $$$$ it gets from the US or is that money all tax free, interest free grants and not a loan??
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:44 PM
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14. I won't claim to be an expert
But I think there is some creative accounting - grants and loans that are forgiven, or something like that. I don't know if that applies to all (or most) loans, but I am sure someone out there must have knowledge of the details.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 01:32 AM
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24. So is Lebanon going to just sit there
and be the battlefield again?

You'd think they'd want Hezbullah disarmed too. Guess not though.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:31 AM
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26. Whenever you hear the term "Zionist", you're hearing hatred
This whole issue is a mess. Balfour gave away something that wasn't his to give. A generation later, things hit a boiling point.

Reeling from humanity's blind eye to the wholesale killing of Jews after World War 2, those who already had a toehold in what is now Israel created a state of their own. Rightly wishing to protect themselves, they unfortunately oppressed those who had nothing to do with their persecution.

Once again, religion is the root of all evil.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 02:52 PM
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41. What 'generation'?
The 1920s were no picnic, with the ink on the Balfour Declaration barely dry. And let's not forget the wonderful '30s. The '40s were no cakewalk, either.
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Master of Disaster Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:45 AM
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27. And they will be dealt with much more harshly in the second round.
(If the US gets the hell out of the way)
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:03 AM
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28. Hold up
You appear to be arguing that Israel would have been more successful, but for the United States interference. Please tell me I misunderstand you, because that's nuts.
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Master of Disaster Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 08:54 AM
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45. Yes, Israel would have been quite a bit more successful
if the US Department of State would have gotten the hell out of the way.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:21 AM
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29. And I'm sure you have no problem..
with US getting out of the way, but not before they drop off huge bags of USA money, funded by American taxpayers.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 12:38 PM
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35. I am cool with that.
I did not used to be but it is very clear now that Israel must defend itself. I now Palestinians here in NYC that when I talk to them of peace through diplomacy in the ME the reply "there will be no peace as long as Israel exists".

Does not leave a lot of room for working anything out does it? I am glad se aid Israel and I hope we keep doing so. As long as HB refuses peace I feel they must be destroyed completely. I used to think peace was an option but now I see that peace will only come after one side has truly been defeated. I don't want to see Israel destroyed by a bunch of murdering assholes who still think it's the 5th century.
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Master of Disaster Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 08:57 AM
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46. I have no problem supporting Israel militarily;
after all, they are winners. What I have a problem with is a meddling US Department of State.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 08:23 AM
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30. Charley Krauthammer declared Hizbullah the loser so that is good enough
for me because he is never wrong.:sarcasm:
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jbane Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 02:35 PM
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38. WOW just great!
Just a thought, did anyong ever think about not fighting and maybe just trying to live?
Moronic 13th Century knuckle walking, woman beating, bomb in the baby carriage, chimpanzee-brain a-holes.
Just go ahead and remove this post for racial insensitivity, I really don't care, just like those creeps don't care about anyone else's life.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:01 PM
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42. guess where the arms are coming from
It starts with an 'I'.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:18 PM
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43. Enough with the sporting metaphors, already!
I have a proposal for the media: rather than translating whatever either side says into sports metaphors, why don't you replace them with sexual metaphors instead? Thus:

Hizbullah: We're ready for another facial

Israel: Inquiry sought into why the rubber broke, but rectal cavity healing quickly

Baghdad: Tough to tell whose salad tossed, who's tossing; but Americans left with bad taste in mouth


See? Much more interesting.
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