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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:38 PM
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Rasmussen: Bush Bounce Is Over
Rasmussen Reports - September 17, 2006

The latest Bush bounce is over. Today, 41% of American adults approve of
the way that President Bush is performing his job and 57% disapprove. That's
exactly where the numbers were before the President's 9/11 speech.

Overall 21% of Americans Strongly Approve and 42% Strongly Disapprove.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

Ever notice that Bush's Rasmussen numbers go up when we're between major
polls, but when the likes of Gallup or Ipsos are released Rasmussen adjusts?




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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:39 PM
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1. yep
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:42 PM
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2. Al Franken better tune up the low notes on his flute. nt
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:47 PM
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14. what?
nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:54 PM
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26. Al Franken has a recorder and plays a rendition of Shrub's
approval rating throughout the course of his presidency. Screechy high notes for just after 9/11 and, lately, in the basement. I don't know if the recorder will make a note low enough for what might be coming.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:11 AM
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35. Time to buy a bass recorder!
yes, they do make them.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:43 PM
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3. Even cadavers bounce when dropped.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:56 PM
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7. I needed that laugh Tom. Good one! nt
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:16 PM
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18. Nice LOL
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:43 PM
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4. Rasmussen is the Fox News of polling operations...
:argh:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:07 PM
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10. I don't think they're quite *that* bad
They do skew to the right, but I'd call that skew "slight" compared to Mason-Dixon, Gallup, or Strategic Vision. Now those guys know how to make a rightward skew....
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:25 AM
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32. Or Opinion Dynamics - they poll FOR Pox "news."
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:43 PM
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5. Yep. Rasmussen skews Republican. They seem to be fearful of
upsetting the Republican majority.

Bush's numbers aren't that high, I don't believe. I think people all over the place know he's a fool, and very possibly a dangerous fool.

If Bush is asking for clearance to torture "terrorists," then even the thickest Bush voter out there in Red land must realize at some point that that means pert near anybody on the globe can torture Billy Ray and Mary Sue.

So they look at what Bush's war has begot, and I don't think they see much to defend.

Many Bush voters will stay home on Nov. 7th, and some will bolt to our side.

The trends look blue, and Bush is to blame for that.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:33 PM
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12. Not exactly, Rass's state level polling is far better, mostly in line
with other polls. Just on te national polls he is out there with ABC. :thumbsup:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:56 PM
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15. Rasmussen's state polls I bump into only once in a while. I hope they're
closer than the nationals.

The Rasmussen polls in CT before the primary were very close, that's true.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:22 PM
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20. What is important is that we get our base out to vote and the fact...
that the independents are on our side.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 08:08 PM
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29. Yes. That's a fight worth fighting. And I like our chances.
At a time when the Republicans should be joined and supportive of each other, they're in dispute over major issues.

Stem cell research domestically and detainee legal status in foreign policy.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:54 PM
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6. And for that matter, the Bush presidency is over. We keep hearing
that The Fixer, Jim Baker, is going to negotiate some sort of resolution with Iraq.

Maybe he has the cards to play on that one and maybe he doesn't.

I don't think the insurgents give a hoot in hell for Jim Baker.

So absent a concocted arrangement that Baker miraculously pulls out of the fire, it doesn't look very much as if Iraq is going to work for the Republicans in November -- or in 08 either -- and Afghanistan is unravelling even as we speak.

The economy is flimsy at best, and the closer someone looks the worse it is, and as late as this past week, Dubya was blathering about how "strong" the economy is and credited his tax cuts.

I don't think out-of-work people with 2 or 3 children believe the economy is strong. In that group, I'm not seeing a surge of Republican votes.

And there's the matter of torture. I would hope to hear from U.S. clergy in the coming weeks roundly and vehemently condemning the President for his request to torture human beings. Their voices must be raised in opposition to that kind of tyranny, that kind of violence.

Senators Collins, McCain, Warner and Graham signalled to the Fake Cowboy this past week that he isn't going to get his way on torture, and for that matter, the next two years of his term are not going to be a cakewalk.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:24 PM
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21. Let's just say we get 228 house seats (net plus of 25).....
and a 50/50 Senate: Bush will NOT get his agenda through the congress.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:23 AM
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31. I agree. He faces a resistant Senate, even at 50-50, and the polls
are not giving him any backwind or push. Very rough going for a lame duck who can't break 41% approval ratings as "a war president."
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 11:53 PM
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30. I'd love to see clergy speak out on the torture issue too. But
the IRS' leaning hard on a Pasadena church for having the audacity to deliver an anti-war sermon before the '04 election is, I think, meant in part to show that ANY level of dissent among the faith community carries severe risks.

Nice traditional values, huh? :grr:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:26 AM
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33. Yes -- I agree that was likely the motive for the audit/pressure, but
an ecumenical council of heavy-duty folks coupled with a series of regional public conferences would be much more effective than the media in getting the word out.

Bush's foreign policy is inexcusable generally and on torture specifically. A chorus of spiritual leaders would help drive the point home.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 12:57 PM
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8. Bush never had any bounce.
He never had any "comeback" or "second wind". He's been through....for a long time and he knows it.

I'm just wondering why we are so addicted (or vulnerable) to these "trend" type situations where someone is down in the dumps, then suddenly they make a REMARKABLE COMEBACK. I've seen this ever since Bush stepped into the White House. He's down, and then he's up. He behaves like an ass, but in 2 weeks his numbers go up. It's all bull shit.

It's a Smoke and Mirror technique. Don't fall for it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:16 PM
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24. Agreed! I had to laugh
when I saw "bounce"..yeah right.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:03 PM
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9. I don't even beleive the 41%....
... approval number. I can only find a person here are there who doesn't think George Bush is a joke of the worst kind. I hear offhand comments dissing him all the time. And I'm in Texas. :)
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:30 PM
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11. Gee, I wonder if all the pundits and new anchors will breathlessly...
... announce this drop in approval with the orgasmic euphoria they did when he had a small uptick.

Why can't these idiots realize that it was the anniversary of 9/11? It happens every year and these idiots always report like it is the start of a huge comeback for *.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 01:35 PM
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13. Rasmussen is Full of Sh*t
No way is this guy's numbers this high. What a crock..
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:20 PM
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16. He may be a Republican
But the reason why Bush's job approval is always higher in his poll, is because he asks questions that invite nuance. Instead of the usual "do you approve/disapprove" he gives four options for that: "strongly approve," "somewhat approve," "strongly disapprove," and "somewhat disapprove." I'd wager that some of the people in the other polls who say "disapprove" are saying "somewhat approve" in Rasmussen. It's likely his base that's doing this.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 02:28 PM
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17. Time for another flip-flop by the RW talk show bots.





Time to go from "he's doing great in the polls" back to "polls don't mean anything".




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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:18 PM
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19. I am a Rasmussen Skeptic. They tend to be biased...
Edited on Sun Sep-17-06 03:22 PM by AX10
towards the GOP, which makes them out of line with every other poll, including the Fox "News" polls.

Bush's ceiling for approval is 40%.
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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:36 PM
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22. Bush had a bounce?
Since when is a few points within the margin of error considered a bounce? Sounds like people are reaching for straws these days.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:52 PM
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23. Chris Matthews thinks that this "bounce" is a turnaround and that...
if Bush keeps on "doing what he is doing", he will be back at 50% and the Repubs won't lose the Congress. :eyes:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 04:48 PM
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25. Keeps doing what he's doing?
Like becoming a screaming lunatic when he talks to reporters? :-)
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 06:12 PM
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28. Another inoperative statement for Phony Chris
Wotta chump.
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 08:34 AM
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34. Tweety just likes to stir the shit.
His views are so inconsistent (whether he leans to the Republicans or Democrats) that this is the only conclusion for me to believe.

Now Norah, on the other hand, is clearly in favor of her Republican overlords. And, on so many levels, that's a shame, but primarily because she once showed promise of being a decent reporter.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:20 AM
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36. This was news to me as well
:shrug:
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 05:05 PM
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27. I knew it would
It was barely a bounce anyway
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:30 AM
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37. Wonders if that 21% would also attend Jesus Camp if called to do so?
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:33 AM
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38. I wouldn't knock Rasmussen too much
I think they measure day-to-day changes, and those are not particularly meaningful. But they are useful for measuring the effects of certain strategies. After a few days, the cons wear off, but I imagine Rasmussen has been early in recognizing which authentic strategies are getting traction out there.
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