Iran Warns of ‘Lightning’ Response to Any Attack

some weakened country like Iraq. With Chinese Silk Worm missles all along its coast, they can hit an American ship and the ship has no real defense against it. Maybe Bush is saber rattling. Or maybe the US is in for a really huge military defeat. Maybe that's why the armed forces are so adament against war with Iran.

Is a military mutiny coming?

we will be at war forever. Bush better realize if he does this he has doomed the world.

we better be prepared to do what is necessary to win it.

:nuke:

When are you shipping out?

Yeah, right! Ever heard of perpetual war?

140,000+ U.S. POWs in Iraq and 50,000+ U.S. mercenaries held as "hostages." Iraq (Fallouja) was Bush's Stalingrad. If Bush attacks Iraq, Muqtada al Sadr will be his Marshal Zhukov.

have we considered that scenario, yet? or should we simply calculate as we have with Iraq, that "un-known-dead" brown folks aren't much worth of counting?

here:

Iraqi civilian toll at 'unprecedented' high
Correspondents in Baghdad and New York

September 21, 2006

THE number of civilians slain across Iraq climbed to unprecedented levels in July and August, with 6599 people killed by violence in that time.

A report from the UN Assistance Mission in Iraq said the July total of 3590 deaths was unprecedented since the US-led invasion in 2003, while the August figure of 3009, though lower, was also among the worst yet.

Many of those killed were tortured to death with cables, acid and power drills, the report said.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20452671-2703,00.html

But bush isn't interested. He'd rather pound the podium, get red in the face, and prove what a fearless commander he is. I bet he's already made comments to White House insiders, like, "I'm going to kick that crazy motherfucking Eye-rain-ee-yan's ass all over the Middle East."

If bush ever shed a drop of blood in his life, he probably fainted at the sight. But oh how he gets his kicks from other people spilling buckets of it on battlefields.

Iran if attacked will go all out on Israel. It will be a bloodbath on both sides.

care of herself.

in Lebanon, did she?

Hubris always has the same reward.

Think about it, last big ship we lost was the Indianappolis, 60 years ago.

once the nuclear containment is broken, it is death to anybody in the water around it .

Two days ago two 16 year old kids drove a stolen car through the main gate at MacDill AFB in Tampa, home of the Central Command where all the high level allied forces decisons are made regarding the war in the ME. Not only did they make it through the main gate but they drove right past the CentCom HQ on their joyride around the base.



The incident raised questions about security on the base, which houses the planning center for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“The incident will be investigated by our security personnel to look at what happened, to look at how the individuals gained access to the base,” said Lt. Larry van der Oord, a MacDill spokesman.


Link: http://www.sptimes.com/2006/09/20/Tampabay/Teen_crash_gate_at_Ma.shtml





Can you say 'car bomb'?

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Why do the PNACers think that the tactics used in the Middle East can't be used on their own soil?

Keep slaughtering their relatives in the Middle East, and you will soon have the Iraq tactics happening on the US mainland . . .

and no way to stop it . .

Outlining the likely result of an Iran-U.S. war, written in 2004 or 2005. While they said the U.S. could and probably would prevail, it would take serious causalities - probably about 5000 dead and 20000 badly wounded. Iranian military deaths would be 5 to 10 times that. They were only talking about an invasion, not the occupation that would be required afterwards. As we know, that's another story.

Of course this was written before the U.S. military had been worn down by the occupation of Iraq as much as it has. An analysis that took that into account might be far bleaker, from the U.S. point of view.

Fear is how the Republicans stole the last two election, this mid term will be no different. Kick and Nom

If Bush starts another war it will be AFTER the November election.

I can't tell exactly, but it seems like the buildup is only just beginning. However, mid-November seems to be the ideal time to strike, both politically and weather-wise.

I've been thinking that the one way to tell when the invasion is going to go down is to watch China's buildup of troops along the straights of Taiwan. As soon as America commits its last large reserve to Iran, Taiwan is going down, but just before that, we should expect to see Chinese "exercises" being planned nearby.

WISH they could attack Iran, but they won't dare, neither before, during or after any elections. They've been slapped in the face by cold reality in Iraq, and it's all they can hope to do to keep up enough troop strength to keep the lid on it. So #1, a land invasion is totally out of the question. An air-only attack might have some partial success at knocking out Iran's nuke facilities (a huge number, spread all around the country.....they learned the lessons of Israel's successful '81 attack on Iraq's nuke program). But before the first American sorties were even back on the ground, they would be targeting our assets all over the MidEast region. They can hurt us badly. And if they chose, Iran and Venezuela could both turn off their oil spickets, sending oil prices into the stratospere and the world economy into chaos. They also have the ability to create much greater havoc for us in Iraq. And there are also Hezbollah operatives and cells in the US, currently on "quiet" status, that could be activated; They have a lot of sympathers in some metro areas, most notably in Michigan which I think had the biggest Hezbo rallies (in Dearborn during the Lebanese conflict. The Rep party would probably be swept out in the next national elections, and they know it. World opinion would completely blow up against us, and all for what? We don't even know that we could set their program back more than a few years. Bush is just sabre rattling; they started some of these leaks on purpose. That's fine, it was a decent gamble that maybe it would get China and Russia to agree to sancions. But nobody is buying it at this point. Everybody knows we are a weakened tiger now, up to 80% paper in composition. Amazing what one bad war can do to change an outward appearance of "invincibility". Same with Israel.....We're the big tiger and their the little tiger.

Iran is going to get nukes, and obviously that's bad too. But Bushco is going to be forced to admit to themselves it's the lesser or 2 evils. They're not quite as crazy as is rumored around here :)

I can't. I see the writing on the wall everywhere. The completion of fourteen fortresses in Iraq, so a skeleton force can hide out for years there while the majority of troops in Iraq go elsewhere. The recall of a corps' worth of Marines from civilian life, and the majority of our Marine Expeditionary units on duty and somewhere near the Persian Gulf right now. The British redeploying to the Iranian border and openly talking of moving out of the Shatt-al-Arab. The refusal of the US, UK, and Australia to send more special forces to Afghanistan as the Taliban regains its strength. The same bullshit games of false intelligence and audience preparation with media complicity. The same rumors of infiltration already taking place.

The issue isn't Iranian nukes, it's control and distribution of the Iranian oil and natural gas fields along the Persian Gulf coast, and the Iranians changing their exchange medium from dollars to euros. The neocons want to deny those resources to China and they'll cut it off entirely if they have to--more profit for American oilmen if they do. This is, after all, the New American Century, and the only way it's going to be that way is if we undercut the Chinese.

The only thing missing so far is a casus belli, and this government seems to have made a specialty out of false-flag operations. I expect to see the false flag operation in the week before the November elections, either a border incident or a shipping incident, or maybe a video of Osama sipping tea in Teheran. Not less than two weeks later, we're going in.

I will be happy to be wrong, of course.

Great quote, creepingdeath@cu!

"I still clash with her when I post as slackmaster."

http://www.payvand.com/news/06/sep/Scenarios-of-War.pdf

US vs. Iran (II)

Hybrid War

By

Dr. Abbas Bakhtiar

...for the political view is the object, War is the means,

and the means must always include the object in our conception."

(Carl Von Clausewitz 1780-1831)

This lengthy PDF file contains an analysis of the effects of the Iran Iraq war on Iranian war planning and military self sufficiency today. They learned many lessons from the horrendous casualties and material shortages that plagued their effort. Today, they have innovative weapons, homegrown war materials production, but are not yet where they want to be. Their light anti-armor weapons and tactics and 100,000 irregular forces bridge the gap, with the support of conventional military forces.

”Our lions are so powerful that they can strike the enemy like lightning and destroy him,” he added.

But that's nothing compared to the sharks with friggin' lasers.

It is the same old shit. It doesn't matter the side, this is getting way old.