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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:51 PM
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Patty Davis says her dad (Reagan) is rarely awake
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 10:00 PM by ih8thegop
http://www.msnbc.com/news/1001320.asp?0sl=-10

President Reagan, who suffers from advanced stages of Alzheimer’s Disease, is now confined to a bed, rarely awake and unable to walk or talk, according to a story in the latest issue of People magazine.

<snip>

The magazine said Reagan spends his days either in a bed or occasionally in a wheelchair, in a small room at his home in the exclusive Bel Air section of Los Angeles, where he is kept out of the sight of all but his closest family and helpers.

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Davis, once estranged from her family, said her family’s life is now focused on Reagan’s bedside, where he spends his sedentary days.

“When he is awake, which is not that often, he can gaze at the trees outside the window,” Davis said.


My comment:

Uh-oh, he's about to pass away. Say what you want; that's not good news. If he dies, Bush/Cheney/Rove will beg America for the sympathy vote. "Win one more for the Gipper," they might say.
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Darwin2002 Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:54 PM
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1. I'm taking the high road and keeping it zipped on this one n/t
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:57 PM
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2. Thank you...
I wish everyone would. this was posted in GD earlier today and a lot of ugliness showed up.

While I disagree vehemently with nearly everything he did, I feel he's now in a living hell, as well as his family, and I wish nothing but a peaceful end for him.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:41 AM
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45. You're Really MUCH Too Kind... And Much Too Generous
I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He's done nothing to deserve my compassion or pity. He's done everything to deserve my contempt. And so he shall have it.

-- Allen
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:57 PM
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3. an admission that comes 20 years too late
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:59 PM
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5. Really!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 11:35 PM
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33. Your are right! Raygun was rarely awake when he was President
Raygun snoozed his way through the entire Iran-Contra thingy, so there is no difference between then and now.

Our first veggie President will be immortalized across this land as every landmark, park, and even public restroom is named after him.

I won't be nice to this man whose political career was distinguished by policies that were cruel and inhumane.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:59 PM
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4. hopefully, 'glorious leader' funeral will be finished WAY before
the elections get close....would be good to get it over during the uncoming holidays (same busy time frame when pappy bush presidentially pardoned all the Iran-contra convicted criminals)....reTHUGS will be real upset if this gets buried in the Holiday season)

....ronald reaguns National Airport (with hundreds of accompanying ronald reaguns Metro Train signs), ronald reaguns International Trade Center, ronald reaguns George Washington Hospital Emergency Ward....it does get tiring here in DC....
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 09:59 PM
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6. It is sad to see anyone suffer like that
even if I didn't like the man's policies when he was president that disease is just cruel...

When I was in the hospital my one roommate was in a severe state of dementia and it was just so sad.

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:19 PM
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10. sometimes, your Karma catches up to you...the horrible suffering
cause by ronald reaguns...so many people suffered because of him....such horror...too bad that you didn't get to read about all the 'little' people's suffering under reaguns for years and years on the cover of Time Magazine...reaguns just thought he'd get away with killing so many innocents....

not to wish anyone ill, but watching the 'blowback' should make everyone realize that ...somehow, God will repay you for what you do to others...

--------------------------------------

There are seven sins in the world...Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Knowledge without character, Commerce without morality, Science without humanity, Worship without sacrifice, and Politics without principle....(Mahatma Gandi)





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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 04:45 AM
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42. Didn't Reagan cut Alzheimer's research money
back in the 1980s? He was cutting every other kind of medical research, and I remember hearing about alzheimer's too. If so, the chickens have come home to roost.

Since my husband had cancer when he was 25, during Reagan's terms, and we watched that jerk cut cancer research funding, I have hated that stupid old man.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:46 PM
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22. Alzheimer's patients aren't the ones who are suffering...
It's the families. The patients are not in any pain.

My mother is in a nursing home with Alzheimer's and while nothing she says makes any sense, she isn't suffering. I'm sure Reagan is getting the best care possible.

I have a newfound respect for Nancy and the way she has become an advocate for the disease.

BTW, just because Reagan can't communicate anymore doesn't mean he is near death. He could go on for years like this, though at his age that is unlikely.
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:08 PM
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7. Ugh he better stay alive longer
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 10:09 PM by AlFrankenFan
i never thought I'd say it but he should stay alive at least until after the election so Bush doesn't play the sympathy card off his death.
But it really is sad to see someone, no matter how evil, suffer like that.
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Norbert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:11 PM
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8. I've seen Alzheimers patients.
while working at a nursing home after losing my job Oddly enough during the Reagan Administration.

Alzheimers is not only a long death sentence to the afflicted but it takes an emotional toll on the family members.

Although there are many issues I disagreed with him on the time to be angry with him has passed. I wish for a peaceful end sooner, rather than later.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:00 AM
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49. I agree that it is
a long cruel disease. I worked in a nursing home as a social worker and the toll it takes on the family is excruciating. This should not be a political momment, but a respectful one for the family.

I agree that Reagan wasn't the "hype" that the republicans say he was, however, it is mean-spirited to criticize someone when they are in their last days and it sounds like he is.

Once he is confined to bed and only wakes briefly, then it won't be long, because the body begins to shut down.

Alzhemiers is a cruel, cruel disease.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:13 PM
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9. Poor ol' bastard
Always behind the curve & manipulated, needed to believe in somthing. Had plenty of swine that had no problem taking advantage of his good heart, charisma & lack of ability to think independently.

We was not mean spirited like the chimp/beast.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:21 PM
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12. Huh?
Ronald Reagan was a good person who was merely taken advantage of??? For crying out loud, he had access to all kinds of information and dissenting voices and eight years to get a clue. The man was senile before he took office, and I feel no pity for him whatsoever.

If you want to feel sorry for someone, you might try feeling sorry for some of the thousands of people who were tortured during Reagan's reign of terror. I suspect some of those poor bastards are now suffering from Alzheimers, too - without the medical care Reagan's getting (on MY tax dollar).
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:27 PM
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15. time to open up the presidential papers that belong to AMERICA
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 10:43 PM by amen1234


the sleezy pResident bush* continues to hide the criminal acts of reagun (and his own father, BTW), by hiding reaguns papers, against the law too....

time to show American the reagun papers, that were paid for and BELONG TO US....
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:36 PM
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17. Thank you
In a sane world, we would be as upset about Reagan dying a slow death as we felt about Idi Amin dying a slow death. Fuck him.

Besides, it's not like anyone here is defending Alzheimer's Disease. Taking joy in the death of Adolf Hitler is not a defense of suicide.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:39 PM
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19. Ah, Idi Amin...
Idi Reagan...

Ronald Amin...

Ronald McDonald...

Iddy Biddy McDonald...

McJobs that pay tiny salaries while catsup TRICKLES DOWN on your shoes - Yeah, that's what I was leading up to!
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:47 PM
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23. Can it
I have lived my whole life in California & am probably twice your age. I even hung out with my repuke politician uncle @ Sacramento durring "St. Ronnie's" governorship. If you want to recite obvious history, apply elseware....... Yes I have some sympathy for the old fuck. For years I worked hard against the old bastard, but he's toast now. Save your bile for the chimp. That's where today's battle is.
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:50 PM
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24. Bile directed at Ronald Reagan is bile directed at George W. Bush.
It's called trickle down politics.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 11:03 PM
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30. Go get um tiger!
I'm glad you're on our side!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:21 PM
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11. Probably has been on ice for a while now!
The repukes will announce three weeks before the election that Raygun's last words to junior were;
"Win one for the Gipper"
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:24 PM
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13. The Republicans will also want to record something personal
and passionate, like Reagan's last words to his wife: "Eva Peron, put some gass in that snowmobile and let's get going!"
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:31 PM
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16. LOL !!!!
.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:26 PM
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14. This is no picnic for anyone.
Just lost a brother who was in a coma for a year and am now caregiver for 95-year old godmother. It's sad for anyone to be in this condition and especially difficult for the family.

Never liked the man or his policies but he is still a human being. I am willing to give him the respect I would give any elderly person in his same condition. If he passes during the holidays, the level of Repug saint-a-nizing will be mostly ignored except by the Reagan worshipers.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:37 PM
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18. it would definitely be a blessing if he left during the holidays....


and the whole HUGE worshipping-great-leader funeral event will be buried in the Holidays, and ignored by millions....it would be a blessing for the suffering family and the suffering cruel dikator, and the suffering people of America, who can barely handle much more 'saint-a-nizing' of a very cruel terrorist....

shrub will loose his big chance to cash in for this during the elections season....which would certainly be ANOTHER blessing...

may reaguns leave quickly and suffer no more....





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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:40 PM
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20. Wouldn't it be great if Reagan
slipped away on a FRIDAY, at the very time George Bush was handing out a news release about the latest Republican mugging in Congress?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:45 PM
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21. This disturbs me as a relative of an Alzheimers patient
"Sedentary days"... it's just sad. Ironically my grandmother's personality is probably on par with Nancy Reagan (i.e. not pleasant) but I visited her today and it is sad to see how she has been affected by this disease. And I am frankly worried about how long it will go on. She is quite healthy apart from the Alzheimers and is older than Reagan. It's hardest on my dad and I think that's what makes me the saddest. :(
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 11:03 PM
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29. reaguns used all science money to research BOMBS, if any money
Edited on Thu Dec-04-03 11:27 PM by amen1234



at all had been allocated to research on diseases...we'd already have a CURE for alzheimers....

just like bush* today, reaguns spent ALL our tax money on weapons, the pentagoon and the military....reaguns actually spoke out against spending any money on curing diseases, because it should be spent on starwar weapons and defense boondoggles.....

and there is now some evidence that some alzheimers is caused by environmental toxins (phthalates, aluminum, etc.)...but reaguns (like the shrub) cut funds for environmental protections....reaguns publically acclaimed that TREES put out more pollutants than any human-made sources....he was a total anti-environment terrorist...


yes, all these policies came home to roost right on reaguns....and that's why many of us older people see the bush* policies will have REAL long-term consequences....20 years from now, we'll be de-toxing even more weapons and pollution on military bases, and WONDERING why we didn't use that money to cure alzheimers, cancers, diabetes, AIDS and more...and the environmental toxins will be destroying us all (democrats and republicans alike) while we WONDER, wonder, wonder....what happened? why is my dad, mom, daughter, uncle, why am I suffering so horribly???? well, because reagun/bush1/bush* spent ALL that money on BOMBS, which we are now trying to incinerate reaguns nerve gas down in Alabama at a cost of billions, and clean up reaguns radioactive materials at Hanford, Los Alamos, Rocky Flats, Sandia, Argonne, Mound, Brookhaven, Savannah River, Grand Junction, Lawrence Livermore, Kansas City Plant, Oak Ridge, and much much more....BILLIONS and BILLIONS and all we're left with is BILLIONS of clean-up costs for toxins still poisoning us...we POISONED ourselves....and bush* is repeating the cycle all over again....and many more generations will WONDER why they are suffering from diseases that could have been cured RIGHT NOW for just a few billion bucks...maybe even just a few million bucks...because cures for diseases are well within our scientists reach today, but all scientists can only find jobs in the bush* KILLING industry, and all the Federal research money goes to the bush* KILLING industry...the policy is that we NEED to keep researching ways to create BETTER Napalm to drop on places like Iraq...isn't that what's important???? it is for bush* and it was for his pappy and it was for reaguns...the horrible suffering trickles down for many years after on everyone.....
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:53 PM
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25. We grant our pets more dignity
and end their suffering and misery, but somehow the human cult of personality insists in prolonging
what is left of this being's life, now but dust. A shadow lingers long past the sun cast upon the human frame
and all that remains are our memories.
let them return to the light.
let them go.

peace,
dp
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:55 PM
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26. My pets never tortured people. N/T
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 11:08 PM
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31. Your pet?
perhaps killed another creature as many animals do? I've never seen any animal 'torture' a human.

not accusing your pet here, just pointing out that we let any other creature die, but don't seem to be able to let the suffering human being go. But go they must.

think about it. And keep focusing on the cult of the human if you wish.

dp
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 10:58 PM
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27. This has been going on for over 20 years
this is nothing new.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 11:00 PM
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28. Still? He slept through most of his Presidency as well, didn't he?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-03 11:28 PM
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32. So how is this any different than the time he occupied OUR White House?!
and...

Who cares?

He's a steaming pile of shit. Screwed the america I love royally.

He reaping what he's sowed.

He should be so lucky.

Screw him and his entire family.

Go to hell.

And this is half of what I feel for our current crop of criminals holed up in OUR White House!
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Orangeone Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 12:06 AM
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34. Isn't it weird

That Charlton Heston has Alzheimers too? Two old Hollywood guys, both very right wing. I wonder if the disease affects the personality very early on in subtle ways that push people towards conservatism. I've heard that one is more prone to getting Alzheimers if you don't challenge your brain, as in 'use it or lose it.'

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 12:09 AM
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35. hmmm
it is consciousness, after all.

dp
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:09 AM
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37. My dad died of it this year
And he was quite liberal.

Stop generalizing.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 12:22 AM
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36. I'm sorry for Patti and Ron Jr.
Their dad probably hasn't felt anything much for some time now ... it's hardest on the family.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:16 AM
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38. I thought Patti Davis was dead??
Edited on Fri Dec-05-03 01:23 AM by drfemoe
who am I thinking of if not her? This is creepy .. have to look it up tomorrow. Am I the only one that had heard this?

Maybe I'm thinking of Maureen Reagan ..
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:30 AM
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39. quotes from article by Patti -- very good!

"I'm sorry, but I can't give the pillow back. I tried to turn the elephant into a donkey, since I'm not a Republican,
and I ruined the whole thing," Davis wrote.

Appealing to President George W. Bush for a pardon, Davis said she was sending him a check for $25 for his future
presidential library.

http://home.earthlink.net/~exonews/xtra/sandwich.htm


Yes, it was Maureen who died recently.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:58 AM
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41. Maureen - died of skin cancer about 3 years ago. nt
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 01:55 AM
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40. If Larry King does a show on Reagan, he doesn't have long.
I have observed that whenever Larry King "suddenly" does a show about an old or sick celeb, they die days after the show aired. I am serious here.

He did this with Bob Hope, Katherine Hepburn (had her niece on) and the last one was Johnny Cash (show consisted of Larry's last interview with JC).

Larry gets the inside scoop on just how sick these people are. You know how "into" celebs he is. And as far as Reagan goes, Larry is good friends with Nancy.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 04:49 AM
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43. He needs to go, NOW.
Let's get this crap over with. None of this dying right before the election crap.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 04:53 AM
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44. Horrible news
when Raygun dies he will become a god to the repukes. The pukes will use his name to promote everything they want and the dems will just roll over, we're doomed. :cry:
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:48 AM
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47. He is already
a god to the repugs. They are trying to put his image on a dime. I hope they don't succeed. I don't wish him dead I think he has been defanged for a while now. His death will only cause a media frenzy and bring him back into the spotlight.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:45 AM
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46. Sleeping mostly now
he won't last another couple of months. Maybe not even the Holidays.

He is near death. While I hated him as a president I do feel for his family.
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RPG-7 Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:54 AM
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48. He should have been executed for crimes against humanity years ago
Edited on Fri Dec-05-03 10:55 AM by RPG-7
His reign of terror in Latin America was uglier than Milosovic's in Serbia.

The fact that maybe he can't remember the tens of thousands that he abbetted in the rape and murder of is a mercy that he doesn't deserve.
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