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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:30 AM
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Voters told to let morals guide them
Last update: October 03, 2006 – 11:49 PM

Voters told to let morals guide them

At a rally in St. Paul, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson urged his supporters to vote with their "family values" in mind.
Pamela Miller, Star Tribune

James Dobson told an enthusiastic crowd of about 3,000 supporters Tuesday in St. Paul that they should consider political candidates on the basis of their views on fighting terrorism, gay marriage and abortion.
"Culture bends and sways with the outcome of elections," Dobson, the founder of the group Focus on the Family, told the crowd at the Roy Wilkins Auditorium at RiverCentre.

"If you can find a politician who understands the institution of the family, who wants to protect children from immorality, who understands that we are at war with those who want to destroy us and who understand that liberal judges are undermining us and need to be reined in," Dobson said, "and if you can find a politician who lives by a strong moral code and believes in Jesus Christ ... if you can find such a person, it would be a sin not to vote for him."

Speaking in front of a large U.S. flag, Dobson said he wasn't telling people whom to vote for but rather urging those who hold conservative family values to vote those values.
(snip/...)

http://www.startribune.com/587/story/719834.html

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:33 AM
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1. what a disgusting piece of shit he is
a f***ing liar too
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:36 AM
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24. Ditto
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:36 AM
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2. Scumbag doesn't even have the courage...
...of his own twisted convictions. On the one hand, he says that voting for the wrong candidate is a sin. On the other, he won't tell people who to vote for. Therefore, he is condoning sin. See you in hell, Jimbo.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:38 AM
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3. Culture Does Not Bend and Sway, Dobson
Culture changes when people change, when the mix of classes and backgrounds and educations change. So get yourself and your sheeple some class and education, if you want to see a change!
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:38 AM
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4. that picture is quite amazing
my dad was a staunch conservative southern baptist minister before he passed...

I know he would have looked at that picture, seen the stone replica with the words 'Do Not Bow Down To Idols' and said

"i see that man brought plenty of idols for people to worship with him (including himself)." One idol actually says, do not bow down to me on it.... incredible

and look at the pose they caught him in, looks like he wants people to worship him, doesn't it?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:45 AM
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5. If anyone let morals guide them, the Republicans would be OUT!
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:49 AM
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6. I second that comment...nt
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:52 AM
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8. Aay-men!
:applause:
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:51 AM
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7. Is that Dobson beign political???
Edited on Wed Oct-04-06 05:56 AM by and-justice-for-all
..If it is, I am sending the IRS a request to investigate his Theocratic Ass!
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:52 AM
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9. the IRA would look at your request and be confused...
try sending it to the IRS.. :D
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:57 AM
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12. But you knew what I meant...nt Fixed and thanks
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:54 AM
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10. Interesting Dobson details:
Dobson Denials Echo Saint Peter
By Jonathan Hutson Fri Mar 10, 2006 at 10:54:47 PM EST
topic: Reed & Abramoff



Dr. James Dobson is not the first Christian leader to deny a relationship in the strongest terms, only to be found out as a false witness. In the First Century, there was Saint Peter, who cried, "I don't know what you're talking about!" when a servant girl asked if he knew Jesus.

In the Twenty-first Century, there is Dobson, founder and leader of Focus on the Family, who has been caught on tape, bearing false witness against Harper's Magazine and a writer who reported accurately on his political endorsements. Dobson denied ever endorsing candidates who call for abortion providers to be executed. But newspaper reports and broadcast news videotapes show otherwise.

At the same time, Dobson and his organization are attacking writers for questioning their involvement -- knowing or unknowing -- in the scandal swirling around convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff, his gambling industry clients, and certain religious right leaders.

Dobson and his organization slam writers -- whether from the political left, the right, or the center -- who report accurately and who dare to ask tough questions based on Dobson's own words and deeds. Such counterattacks would be more credible if Dobson and his organization did not engage in broad-brush smears and defensive rhetoric that is at times misleading or even, at least in this instance, false.
(snipo/...)

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/3/10/225447/890
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:56 AM
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11. its all about money and power.
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wageslave71 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 05:59 AM
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13. Bush "gets it" ???
Dobson needs to get his head out of his ass.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 06:19 AM
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15. Sleaze bag extraordinaire.
Curdles the milk in my coffee and raises my ire almost as badly as the hate-monger Phelps.


Uh, just realized how that reads...

Clarification - Speaking of Dobson, not you wageslave71. Welcome to DU :hi:
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wageslave71 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:23 AM
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18. One would think
Phelps would be a wake-up call for some. Thanks for the welcome.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 06:04 AM
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14. he infers that the ''institution of family''
is only understood by them.

he is the torch bearer of manufactured hate.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 06:27 AM
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16. Speaking in front of a large U.S. flag
Actually, all I see is the Christian flag behind him.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:36 PM
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35. Haven't you heard? The US flag has been redesigned. It's actually
in the shape of 2 large tablets now.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 04:19 PM
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40. I must have missed the memo. n/t
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 06:28 AM
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17. Mindless cretins......
the "group-think" that's so pervasive among the christian right is dangerous and frightening. My only hope is that these mindless drones are pushed back onto the periphery of politics where they belong. Dobson? Why hasn't he lost his tax exempt status yet? Why doesn't the IRS go after that charlatan like they go after Christians for peace?
Our government is rotten, rotten to the core. And Republicans are the cause of this blight. They must be removed. Now.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:43 AM
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19. Perhaps if everytime we read this type of blatent political horse pucky
cloaked in supposed "christian" morality we turn them into the IRS eventually they'd have to take away their tax exempt status.


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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 07:52 AM
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20. Not one peep about MASTURGATE®, eh Dobson?
When he will open his mouth, Dobson will utter the same old "Jesus Forgives him" bullshit!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:59 PM
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37. Dobson advocates that fathers take their sons
into the shower with them and show off their penises. He claims this is to prevent the kid from becoming gay.(LOL) Actually, I think it's kind of creepy and perverse and have wondered since I first read that how long it was going to take before some idiot followed his advice and ended up getting arrested when the kid mentioned to a teacher or other adult that his dad was taking him into the shower for show and tell.

Considering that Dobson advocates man/boy showers, I don't think you'll be hearing anything too specific from him on the Foley matter.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:06 AM
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21. And what about false gods...
before them?!!!!!!!!!!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:17 AM
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22. I am going to do just that, Mr. Dobson
And that's why I'll be voting straight ticket for the Democratic Party.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:48 AM
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23. Religion and "morality"...
don't actually seem to effect our behavior in this country. Witness the "moral leaders" who get caught with their hand in the cookie jar... or an altarboy.

Excerpts from the LTTE that I've had published in three different papers:

I read of a survey recently which found that about 85 % of Americans believe in God, much higher than in most developed countries, and according to a 1997 study by the University of Michigan, more Americans attend church at least once a week (44%) than attend in any other modern industrial country in the world. We also have the highest violence and murder rates.

 Britain (25% church attendance), France (21%), and Germany (14%) have much lower crime rates and microscopic violence and murder rates compared to the United States.

 Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Sweden have international reputations as law-abiding and peaceful countries, yet their church attendance rates are around 5%.
 
I don’t believe that belief in God or church attendance increases violence and crime, of course, but those figures indicate that at the very least we don’t seem to relate our religious beliefs to our conduct.

Some of our political leaders - Democrats and Republicans - don’t seem to let their belief in God or religion stand in the way of their sexual urges…just like some of our kids, since we also have (by far) the highest teen pregnancy rate in the world.

I don’t know what these other countries have (or don’t have) that makes them less violent and more “moral” but I’m uncomfortable that we have high church attendance…urging us to be good, and we have the highest incarceration rate in the world (2 million Americans in prison)….urging us not to be bad, and we still have the highest violence and murder rates in the developed world.

The other countries seem to have developed some sense of morality in place of religion, or beyond it. Perhaps we should look in that direction, since beliefs in God and religion and prayer, while they give comfort to many, haven’t done much to improve our conduct.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:44 AM
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25. "If you can find a politician who....wants to protect children from
immorality,...it would be a sin not to vote for him."

Dobson is telling us to vote Democratic now?

Comversely, it is a sin to vote FOR Denny Hastert and Tom Reynolds?

Did Dobson really say this YESTERDAY or is this an Onion article?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 10:58 AM
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26. Is he sure he can trust his followers with their family values?
Let alone his family values?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:01 AM
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27. I always let my morals guide my political choices
That's MY morals.
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enigmacat Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:10 AM
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28. Right, they will let their morals guide them.
And, you know what they consider "morals." They are going to vote for the Thugs. The irony, it burns!
People like this, are almost beyond hope. I say, almost, because I think everyone has potential.
But, if what has been going on lately is not enough to sway their votes, then I don't know what would be.
Poor Jesus. Whether you believe he existed or not, the parable of his life, and his teachings are being so distorted, and perverted by sociopaths like this one.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:14 AM
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29. OK, Dr. Dobson, I do that anyway
Imperialism is immoral.

Lying in order to start an imperialist war is immoral.

Torture is immoral.

Mass murder is immoral.

Bigotry (to include homophobia) is immoral.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:25 AM
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30. ...since Congress doesn't. n/t
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Karla Marx Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:55 AM
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31. All you pedophiles be sure to vote Rethuglican!
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 12:06 PM
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32. Yuh... That Worked so Badly the Last Time....
asshole Republican using God's name in vane. Why do Christians put up with this?
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:36 PM
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33. Moral Republican is an Oxymoron These Days.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:27 PM
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34. Well, if that's what you want, Dr. Focus on the Pharisees, then it looks
as though you want your followers to vote for Democrats.

Unless they like the idea of obscene phone callers working on the public's dime, and aiming for underage boys, arriving drunk to get into their dorm, and asking them how big they are...

ASSHOLE.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:39 PM
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36. Foley Family Values, I'm sure... nt
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 01:05 AM
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38. lets see.....
war...check

killing innocent people...check

torture...check

pedophilia...check

drunken pedophila...check

right then, see you in november!
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-05-06 01:16 AM
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39. Good Lawd, there's a lot of "IFs" in that diatribe
But of course, that is the operative word -- "IF" (and we know he's talking about Republicans).

Indeed, "if" one could only find such a Republican...
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