EMINEM RAPS OF SEEING 'PRESIDENT DEAD'

A new shock song from rapper Eminem wishes the president dead, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Eminem... Thank you... I'm sure this one is going to be as good as all his other albums!

'F**k money. I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead. It's never been said, but I set precedents and the standards and they can't stand it... We as Americans. Us as a citizen. We've got to protect ourselves'... Eminem

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Eminem's fans don't exactly give a shit what the Christian Coalition thinks about him.

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Their may be some Hinckley type person in the bunch.
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that a blue-collar white rapper hates them so much. Especially one with the massive crossover appeal of Eminem?

Maybe Dean WILL be candidate of all the rednecks with confederate flags on their pickups. :smoke:

Sing that you hate his legacy and his politics, but don't talk about him being dead if you want to maintain credibility.

This lets the RW say that people who don't like the Chimp are hate-mongers. The message gets lost.

but it looks like he doesn't like the pRez much either. Its hard to say what has motivated the little creeper.

He's got serious anger issues and certainly has possessed significant bigotries present in many lower-middle class families, but the Eminem I've seen has grown a little as a a human being over the past few years and quite a bit as a musician. Hopefully his growth will continue.

OK, it's not nice to say "faggot" but eminem was way, way, way from the first rapper to say "faggot" or slander his enemies as homosexuals as a perjoritive.

All that was fine until a white guy did it though :eyes:

is just way to piss them off or if you're friends to tease them and everyone knows it. Challenging someone's masculinity is not new.

It's what happens in the real world. I don't think you have to endorse any certain worldview to write lyrics that sound like people talking.

as a reference to homosexuals? Well, if you don't I'll educate you. The word "faggot" comes from the French word for "stick" or more precisely "bundle of sticks". During the Great Inquisition when big-name heretics were burned at the stake, homosexuals were burned along with them. But even then homosexuals held such a low status in society that they were just burned on piles of sticks at the bottom of the main pyre. That's where it came from.

So, at least when one uses the term "faggot" perjoratively, one ought to be aware of the origin of the term. Not a very nice thing to call someone at all!

I just said it happens.

I guess gays getting killed just "happens"

Dehumanising is the first step towards eliminating. Coded language needs to be treated carefully.

I'll guarantee you 99% of the people using the word have no idea what it means. They just think it means gay or someone who does something "gay". Don't let that stop you though...

How many gays did Eminem burn at the stake?

To take your argument to its stupidest level. How many Jews did Hitler kill?

Eminem is getting the masses ready for the final solution on gays. Right now his fans are just beating gays left and right till the get the signal. My apologies for not getting it sooner.

and hugged him afterwards.

Your eminem bashing sounds like a rant from Lynne Cheney.

Have you ever even listened to the albums or did you just let someone tell you that he said a naughty word and went along with it?

Well,now that YOU know what it means, will you still feel it is OK to use it or for others to use it? There is no such thing as "blissful ignorance". I guarantee you, even if 99% of people who use the term "faggot" do not know it's history, I'll bet that 100% of them know it's a derogatory term and use it with that intent.

and even if you're right words evolve and meaning changes. The word gay is an example. Either way this conversation fagged me out http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fagged&r=67 so later.

which is that it doesn't matter what the meaning of the word is... it is the INTENTION with which it is used. Calling someone a "fag" isn't usually done in a manner meant to express endearment. It's usually spewed with a hefty dose of vitriol and venom.

See the little faggot with the earring and the makeup
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little faggot got his own jet airplane
That little faggot he's a millionaire

How many gays did Eminem burn at the stake? Give me a break.

Like most superstitions, it makes logical sense, on a certain level, but unfortunately there is just no evidence to back it up. The first known printed use of the word as a derogatory term for a homosexual is 1914. There is no history of its ever having been used in medieval times or any time in between in that sense.

It is known that the word "fagot" is medeival french for "lump" and "old woman." But forging a connection between medeival french and 1914 is pretty much a stretch, it means the use of the term hasd ot be completely underground, never once getting into print, for hundreds of years. By the time "faggot" was known to have acquired the sense in which Eminem uses it, the word "faggot" was almost completely obsolete. As to the time period it is known to have arisen, the early 20th centure, this was a time of much inventiveness in tinker, gangster and underworld lingo, the term gansel seems to have arisen about the same time, with the same meaning. It might also be related to the yiddish word "fagele," which means little bird, as well.

I would like to see the source for your theory, thats for sure.

Also, your statements about the practices of burning at the stake are certainly imaginative. Yes, faggots were used as the fuel, and in that sense, the way you would use the word is to simply say "they piled faggots around the stake and set them on fire." But the stake itself was never the fuel, it just holds the condemned still and upright while the very fast-burning fire produced by the faggots killed them. Everyone burned at the stake was burned with faggots, not just homosexuals.

On edit, after having looked at my OED, it seems strange noone makes the connection with the etymologically unrelated word "fag." This word had a well defined meaning in reference to a hazing-like practice in english boarding schools as long ago as the late 1700s. There was a practice known as "fagging" under which upperclassmen had an assigned "fag," a younger boy who had to be their servant, perform menial tasks and such. It was a very common term ferquently encountered in literature up until WW I. And given that British boarding schools are notorious for the situational homosexuality that by some accounts was rampant in the early 20th century, you have an easy leap from "fag" in the boarding school sense to todays "fag" or "faggot," words which are used interchangeably. I would argue that fag is not a shortened form of faggot, but rather the opposite.

Do you know what the French word for the musical instrument "bassoon" is? In France a bassoon is called a "fagot"... pronounce fah-go'. It means a bundle of sticks, which is exactly what a bassoon is.

Now, I can't say that the word was not at one time used to refer to a lump or an old woman, but the term "faggot" as it is used derogatorily today did evolve from the practice of burning homosexuals on pyres.

I did not indicate that the "stake" was the primary source of fuel for the fire, I mentioned it primarily to indicate the more "elevated" status of those heretics in the community with "name recongnition". Queers were just tossed to the bottom of the pile with little fanfare or ceremony because they were considered such wretches in society. Anyway, I will have to research your postulation for veracity. You might want to check out my story also.

Oh really, since when, and by whom is it all "fine"?

Seriously? If you listen to any amount of rap nothing he said was new or even very unusual. It only became threatening when someone white said it.

I don't think the issue of Marshall Mather's homophobia is as serious as how plain it makes it that no one in America listens to anything Black America says or takes it seriously.

he meant that the mainstream media and gay groups didn't raise a stink (or not as much) when black rappers did the same or worse.

I can't disagree with his passion on THIS particular topic.

'F**k money. I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead. It's never been said, but I set precedents and the standards and they can't stand it... We as Americans. Us as a citizen. We've got to protect ourselves'...

Eminem is simply saying he doesn't sing for "dead presidents", i.e. paper money, but for a higher purpose of changing America. "I'd rather see the president dead." is nothing but a bad pun on "dead presidents" but all it seems to be saying is "I'd rather see the president dead than sell out to commercial rap." Whatever that may mean. Drudge has been trying so hard to stir up a scandal lately that he's really lost it.

It seems to me like he is saying that wanting to "see the President dead" has "never been said", but he is going to go ahead and do it anyway.

you can't trust he has the story right. Remember, for every "Monica" story that he "breaks," he gets about 10 wrong.

Em knows what he's doing...

Did anyone see what he did to Cheney in the video for "Without Me"?

Also: "Square Dance"

Never been the type to bend or budge, the wrong button to push, no friend of Bush <...>

The boogie monster of rap, yeah the man's back/with a plan to ambush this Bush administration, mush the Senate's face in, push this generation/of kids to stand and fight for the right to say something you might not like, this white hot light/that I'm under, no wonder I look so sunburnt, oh no I won't leave no stone unturned/Oh no I won't leave, won't go nowhere, do-si-do, oh, yo, ho, hello there/oh yeah don't think I won't go there, go to Beirut and do a show there/yah you laugh till your <...> ass gets drafted, while you're at band camp thinkin' the crap can't happen/till you fuck around, get an anthrax napkin, inside a package wrapped in saran wrap wrapping/open the plastic and then you stand back gasping, f-in' assassins hijackin' Amtracks crashin'/all this terror America demands action, next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'/to join the army or what you'll do for their Navy. You just a baby, gettin' recruited at eighteen/You're on a plane now, eatin' their food and their baked beans. I'm twenty-eight, they're gonna take you 'fore they take me/Crazy insane or insane crazy? When I say Hussein, you say Shady

Doesn't anone have any critical reading skills???????

'F**k money. I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead. It's never been said, but I set precedents and the standards and they can't stand it'...

First of all Dead Presidents is MONEY, second there is no direct threat to Bush. He's just turning the dead president phrase around to complete his rap.

This isn't some liberal hatred, Eminem hates ALL politics and politicians. You should hear what he has to say about Tipper Gore.
Notice how drudge DOESN'T INCLUDE THE REST OF THE FUCKING SONG.

My favorite Freeper quote about this:
"You know, for all the stuff we said about Clinton, I don't remember anybody saying they wished he was dead."

Ummm....ok.

Chelsea Clinton?

just for clarity here are few snips:

http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire021501.shtml

excerpt:

At this point I had better make a confession. It's a bad one, I know it. It is low, contemptible and — yes! — mean- spirited. It may very well place me beyond the pale of civilized society. I don't care. Truth will out, I will be heard. Brace yourself: I hate Chelsea Clinton.

<snip>

But this is all rationalization. More than anything, I admit, I hate Chelsea because she is a Clinton. Not just genetically a Clinton, but in spirit and habit and manner. The evidence for this is now, I think, sufficient to indict.

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Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past — I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble — recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an "enemy of the people". The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, "clan liability". In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished "to the ninth degree": that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed, and everyone related via four generations up, to the great- great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great- great-grandchildren, would also be killed. (This sounds complicated, but in practice what usually happened was that a battalion of soldiers was sent to the offender's home town, where they killed everyone they could find, on the principle neca eos omnes, deus suos agnoscet — "let God sort 'em out".)

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'F**k money. I don't rap for dead presidents. I'd rather see the president dead. It's never been said, but I set precedents and the standards and they can't stand it'...

The Dead Kennedys said the same GOOD and VIABLE shit years ago.

The robber barons need to get their asses kicked. FUCK THEM. And with it all their high brow (THEM) low class (US) asperations should be exposed yet the Fucking well suited men and women (THEM) that should be eating shit are eating at the well of the prosperity of others. They are just greedy PIGS.

http://www.deadkennedys.com/

Top shelf. Slim Shday has mucho influence.

rich frat boys like shubya. How could he not?

The dude's been hauling-in $30 to $60 million a year, pretending to be black, while garbling illiterate mumbo-jumbo about us "fags." As if I'd even consider a piece of his sorry ass. He's only talking about wanting the president "dead" because its shocking and, de-facto, forbidden, even at DU.

it is sooooooo easy to get publicity these days!

I see you have your anti-em talking points down pretty good though. He came up from the streets, no doubt about it. He still has his same manager he had from when he was Indy, who's also one of his best friends. He helped fellow rappers from Detroit put out albums after he blew up. And he still lives in Detroit. There's a lot of substance there. And his raps are brilliant, and often straight from the heart.

Previous posters are correct.

It's clear that many here just don't understand hip hop enough to realize that this is simple (and utterly common) word play. The 'dead presidents / president dead' is nothing more than another way of saying "I'd sooner see the president dead than I would sell out"

It's NOTHING but a way to 'flip' a lyric as they say. Sure, he consciously knew what he was saying was controversial, but this is nothing new for him either.

While Eminem is not at all a supporter of Bush, he is pretty much anti-everything. He has much more in common with the 70s punk attitude. They hated what they saw as the regressive attitudes of the conservatives and the simplistic 'just get along' attitude of the liberals.

I think Eminem is just stirring shit up as he always does - but nobody should take this as a political statement.

Eminem really hasn't reached the point as a rapper where he could take on an issue like that with any seriousness (he's too much of a comedian) - The closest he came was "Square Dance" on the eminem show.

An example of straight up socially conscious political rap is pretty much anything by Public Enemy in their glory days.

Especially - "By the time I get to ARIZONA" !!

voted for Gore. I see the vivid images in his raps about what it's like to be poor, and grow up on the wrong side of the streets as having a political side, in that they portray that side of life very well...

He dissed Bush by name in Square Dance.

There's a great article on the Guerrilla News Network website about Em being declared journalist of the year for 2002, for telling truths that others avoided.

ON EDIT - here's the article for anyone interested, it's great.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/media/doc679.html

He doesn't have the same manager he had WAY back when, cause I'm friends with his old manager...but that's neither here nor there.

I've been listening to eminem since around 97. the guy says shit that's intentionally meant to shock people and garner attention, something he does better than almost anyone else alive. yes, the line was basically a piece of wordplay, but he knew exactly what he was doing.