(Jeb) Bush meets to discuss Cuba after Castro

Bush meets to discuss Cuba after Castro
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061013/NEWS01/61013003

Gov. Jeb Bush will meet with U.S. diplomats, members of the Florida congressional delegation and leaders of the Cuban exile community today to discuss life after Fidel Castro.

The “Cuba: Transition to Democracy Summit” comes in the wake of the 80-year-old Cuban dictator’s July 31st abdominal surgery and his temporary relinquishment of power to his younger brother, Raul.

The move set off waves of celebrations in Miami.

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“The genesis of this summit predated Castro’s illness,” said Bush spokeswoman Kristy Campbell. “They are convening this summit in recognition that a transition in government will one day take place, and Florida needs to be prepared.”

Joining Bush at the 9 a.m. meeting at the Biltmore Hotel in Coral Gables will be U.S. Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez, Under Secretary for Democracy and Global Affairs Paula Dobriansky, Foreign Minister of Hungary Kinga Goncz, U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez, Congressmen Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Mario Diaz-Balart, and Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.

Its election season in Fla. Time to run against Castro, again, because without a Castro as H.O.S. of Cuba they wouldn't have a platform to run on in S Fla.

politics.
For years the diaz-balart brothers, their female counterpart ros-lehtinen, and other CUBAN politicians who claim to be AMERICANS have done nothing more than LUST to get their hands in CUBA to restart the ousted BATISTA REGIME.

what the hell does jeb bush have to do with CUBANS IN CUBA AND THEIR POLITICS?

take your dirty hands off of cuba and its citizens.

JEB IS AS INTRUSIVE INTO ANYTHING THAT IS NOT HIS BUSINESS AS HIS BROTHER AND FATHER, THE TWO GEORGES, ARE.

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I can imagine that Cubans don't want a similar fate at the hands of a Bush and republican Cuban Exiles.

Mind your own business for once. Before the world has to mind it for you.

breathtaking. Ditto American "citizens" who think they have that right. I think the people who stayed in Cuba rather than fleeing forty years ago might have more of a legitimate say in the matter. The audacity of it turns my stomach.

Understand this.. IF there were to be no Castro, then there would be no lucrative anti Castro platform (read: campaign contributions).

These pukes NEED Castro, and do everything in their power to insure that he (and/or Raul) stay HOS of Cuba.

Their "transition" plans and saber rattling only further unite the Cuban people behind their fearless leadership.

Mission accomplished.

in the early 90s. CANF had it all drawn up, the form of government they would impose, and who would have what title. They were ready to move in the minute Castro died. His successors are still all salivating about becoming the power structure in Cuba, and about the money to be made there. And Jebbie wants a piece of the action. Sickening.

In all of the more recent polling of the MiamiCuban expat community (posted in many prior Cuba threads) very few want to return to Cuba. Its only a small percentage of intransigent hard liners who do. Most are staying in the US and most agree that Cubans in Cuba should have say as to any/what kind of "transition" there might be, post Castro.

They, most of all, understand that Cuba has a fully developed system of government that isn't just "Castro this and Castro that".


Cuban-Americans focus is local, not on Cuba or Castro

With their single-minded pursuit of toppling Fidel Castro, the Cuban-American congressional representatives are beginning to lose touch with even their own districts. Polls show that most Cuban Americans would prefer that their represented officials pay more attention to domestic issues than international issues. This has not been reflected in the actions of those representatives. With diversifying districts and increasing moderation in the community, these pro-embargo leaders are playing a risky game with their political futures.

The following polls show some the dominance of the moderate point of view in the Cuban-American community about U.S. policy toward Cuba.
◗ 62% of Cuban Americans feel that it is more important to spend time and money improving life in South Florida. Only 19% say it is more important to work to change the government of Cuba. This opinion is stronger among younger Cuban Americans. For example, 72% of those under age 45 feel that improving the quality of life in South Florida is more important than working to change the Cuban government.1
◗ A strong majority agrees that the residents of Cuba should decide when and how the political system in Cuba should be changed. 68% agree the residents of Cuba should decide how and when the political system there should change. This percentage was higher among younger respondents—72% of people under 45.1
◗ When given the choice, respondents also strongly supported a candidate who says the embargo has not worked and it is time to look for new ways to encourage democracy in Cuba. 55% of respondents agreed with the more moderate view of this candidate.1
◗ 74.3% of Miami Cubans, 82.1% of Miami non-Cubans, and 65.8% of the national sample think the U.S. embargo of Cuba has not worked very well or not worked at all.2
◗ 52.8% of Miami Cubans, 74.8% of Miami non-Cubans and 63.2% of the national sample think unrestricted travel from the U.S. to Cuba should be allowed.2
◗ 55% of Cuban exile adults said the “40-year-old policy of confrontation between exiles and the Cuban government” has been a failure, 31% said it is the best strategy and 14% said they didn’t know or gave no answer.3
◗ 52% think sanctions should no longer be the focus of U.S. policy toward Cuba.4
◗ 46% support lifting restrictions on U.S. tourists to visit Cuba and 47% are against changing the current restrictions (it was noted by the Miami Herald that this is a “technical tie given the poll’s margin of error”).4
◗ 53% want to lift restrictions on the amount of money that can be sent to Cuba.4
◗ 56% said they would favor an amnesty for Castro government officials who cooperated with a transition to democracy. 29% opposed such amnesty.4
◗ 79% say they prefer a “gradual and peaceful” transition to democracy, while 16% said they would prefer an “abrupt and violent” change of government.4


1 A June 2003 survey of 600 Cuban-Americans over the age of 18 in Miami-Dade County, Florida. The poll was conducted by Hamilton Beattie & Staff, commissioned by Southwest Voter Registration Education Project through its sister organization William C. Velasquez Institute and has a margin of error of 4%.
2 A 2000 Florida International University (FIU) poll of Cubans comparing the opinions of local Cubans, local non-Cubans, and a national sample on Cuba and U.S.-Cuba policy.
3 A 2001 poll was more specialized, surveying 837 “Cuban exile adults (born in Cuba) and Cuban-American adults (born in the United States) who are interested in exile politics and issues relating to Cuba.” The poll was conducted by Bendixen & Associates and commissioned by the Cuba Study Group and has a margin of error of +/- 3%.
4 Poll conducted in April 2002 surveying only Cuban-American exiles (800 people) in Miami-Dade County. The poll was conducted by Bendixen and Associates for the Cuba Study Group and had a margin of error of 3%.

http://www.lawg.org/docs/IgnoredMajority.pdf

With stats like the ones revealed in the various surveys and polls, it is even more astounding that Jeb and those cretinous pukes have the audacity to make plans for "a transition" in Cuba.

community to the island. More and more kids growing up who feel 100% American, fewer old-timers to wax nostalgic about Varadero Beach etc.

But this article is about Cuban-American politicians meeting to discuss life after Castro. Maybe part of it is posturing, to retain the support of old-timers with money, but the fact that Jeb Bush involves himself tells me that there are real plans being made, and those plans center on strategically positioning themselves to make a pile of money in Cuba after Castro is gone. And the Bushes are all about how to inextricably twine political power with moneymaking. They practically wrote the book on it.

so do I get to dictate the flicking future of the Netherlands? Even if we're distant relations of King William of Orange? No? WTF NOT?

to discuss Florida after Bush...:sarcasm:

January 2007 to be more precise. Break out the hats and hooters! It's party time! :party:

I know a real righty developer here in Florida. They can't wait to grab all the beachfront and build condos. All about money, nothing about the Cuban people or democracy. Freedom's just another word for taking all your land.

The rightwing idiots assume that socialism in Cuba is synonomous with Castro. They haven't woke up from their dreamland yet. Socialism is now written into the Cuban constitution, it's permanent. Nothing can be done to change that.

The only commercial construction that is going up, it has been done by Europeans, Asians, and anyone but US companies.

Business can be done in Cuba but not based on the dictates of US government policy.

Currently, all of the construction of hotels and tourism facilities done by the European and Canadian companies are done as joint ventures with the Cuban government - of which a majority interest (at least 51%) is owned by Cuba. Part of these venture agreements is that the improved properties belong to Cuba.

This is just what US corporations want changed.

That change is just what the US's University of Miami (Casa Bacardi) based "Cuba Transition Project" has planned - 100% privatization of ALL of Cuba's infrastructure. (Kinda like Bremmer’s privatization orders for Iraq's infrastructure - forcing Iraq to sell off all of its banking institutions, factories, foundries, electrical and water/sewer infrastructure.)

This is also pretty much what the US paid "dissident's" Varela Project supports.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Cuba+transition+project&btnG=Google+Search">U.of M.'s Casa Bacardi - Cuba Transition Project


Does anyone here REALLY think that Cubans in Cuba are going to go for that? Its not like they are in the dark and don't know that this is the US's plan - the Cuban media and government officials have been on top of this well publicized plan and informing the Cuban people from the start.

Almost NO Cubans want this. This is just why, a couple of years ago, the Cuban people overwhelmingly voted in a referendum on whether or not to make Socialism THE PERMANENT system of Cuba's government - they voted 95% in favor of making socialism their permanent form of government.

That's because everybody but her knows she is history after the election.

And the way things are going, a lot of the other rethugs in office now in Florida might not be around either.



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How nostalgic! Ahhh, to enjoy Cuba as if it were still under the iron fist of Generalissimo Fulgenico Batista... I can taste those rum drinks already!

And no one even said a word.

tyrant on the Florida Supreme Court, after ALSO lobbying his father to give an administrative pardon to a Batista-supporter, bomber/mass murderer/general terrrorist, Orlando Bosch Avila.

Anyone who was in the dark about _Bushes after the pardon, should have finally had the truth pounded home to them by _Jeb's putting the monstrous Batista's grandson on the Supreme Court who had no judicial background whatsoever, and who, himself had been the the very lawyer who had looked after the interests of Orlando bomber Bosch Avila, to secure him the protection of the United States, when many people had believed he should have to face justice both in Cuba and in Venezuela a long, long, long, long time ago.

.. for Bosch's immigration exclusion hearing. The INS recommended exclusion and deportation - Bush 41 pardoned him.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1655/is_200207/ai_n7161718

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and bring them back to the control of the Walker/Bush family.

One gangster family mimicking another.


"Michael, we're bigger than US Steel."

is probably eyeing a take over when Castro the asshole finally croaks.
Just a thought.

having any ambition to invade other countries?

It would be the very first whisper ever heard of it in the world of the sane.

What would be the payoff? What's in it for Venezuela? What great advantage would it hand Venezuela, if the elected leader DID have a wild, utterly nonsensical wish to control a small island? Is there "history" between Chavez and Cuba he wants to avenge? That would be remarkable, wouldn't it?

Do they think that all the communists are suddenly going to leave the island after Castro dies? I mean what the hell? Does Blair have meetings with his staff on the possibility of Bush getting assassinated? No.