Gibson says ‘Passion’ criticism triggered tirade

Some people called him anti-semitic, so that caused him to become anti-semitic?

Jackass.

:nopity: :nopity:

I don't like his excuses.

This Orthodox Jew was BEYOND OFFENDED by the sicko Sadomasochistic fantasy your warped mind put up on the screen. I really got so angry at your sleazy anti-Semitism that permeated the whole dog turd of a movie you made. It's a shame you were born 60 years too late, you and Leni Riefenstahl would have gotten along real fine!

By being criticized?

Try being called unpatriotic and a terrorist sympathizer from your elected leaders for 6 years. Then we can talk about criticism.

No way our Dear Leader was elected.

and blaming the Jews for calling him an anti-semite after he made an anti-semitic film.

Damn...

Mel Gibson is a Republican!

Mel has been pretty outspoken against the war in Iraq. Believe it or not, there are also "liberals" who are anti-Semetic.

As for his film, how was it anti-Semetic? Jesus was a Jew. Similarly, a movie about corrupt and brutal people in Africa (Idi Amin, for example) is not necessarily racist.

I do agree that there's no excuse for Mel's hateful, drunken, anti-Semetic rant.

Lot's of important people have been killed by their own nationals.

I'm sure we would have killed Jesus too if he was born a Canadian or American.

Meaning changes greatly.

Been there.

Done that.

The Church is anti-war, so that's why I sus[pect Gibson is. He rejects the ecumenical spirit of Vatican II, he is extremely homophobic and anti-women's rights... those two things alone show he is NOT a Liberal/Dem/Progressive, etc. He is also at the very least a holocaust denial enabler (though I suspect he's more than that).

I believe he is a member of a splinter group of Catholics or is a self-practicing Catholic, or something like that outside of the Pope and all that.

the most liberal Unitarian in the world.

Gibson's belief system does NOT indicate that he's a Liberal... not by any stretch of the imagination.

Being anti-war just makes him an anti-war extreme Winger.

Dei.

To confirm that so many "celebrities" belong to Opus Dei. I don't care for Mr Gibson & wouldn't think of joining OD, even if I did believe in God.

But OD doesn't have the mystical secret power that the gullible fools who liked The Da Vinci Code were led to believe.

Mel gibson never publicly refutted his father's claims that the Holocaust never happened. It's very clear that he adopted his father's views, probably has since his boyhood.

By James Carroll | February 24, 2004

"THE PASSION of The Christ" by Mel Gibson is an obscene movie. It will incite contempt for Jews. It is a blasphemous insult to the memory of Jesus Christ. It is an icon of religious violence. Like many others, I anticipated the Gibson film warily, especially because an uncritical rendition of problematic Gospel texts which unfairly blame "the Jews" for the death of Jesus threatened to resuscitate the old "Christ-killer" myth ...

Going well beyond anything in the Gospels, Gibson's film emphasizes Roman virtue and Jewish venality by inventions like these: <follow link for list> ...

Long after the filmgoer has had enough, even the Romans stop. And here is the anti-Semitic use to which this grotesque scene is put: Then Jesus is returned to the crowd of "the Jews," and then, as if they are indifferent to what the filmgoer has just been physically revolted by, "the Jews" demand the crucifixion of Jesus ...

It is a lie. It is sick. Jews have every reason to be offended by "The Passion of The Christ." Even more so, if possible, do Christians.

http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2004/02/24/an_obscene_portrayal_of_christs_passion/


There's no shortage of evidence external to the film to support the plausibility of this reading. Mel set up a "charity" named after his mother to fund construction of his private church, where services are conducted entirely in Latin. Mel's theological views presumably derive from those of his father, who told the NYT in 2004 that a Jewish-Masonic conspiracy had ended both the Latin mass and the idea that the Jews were guilty for the crucifixion. The fact that Mel spews anti-semitic garbage when he's hammered is a further indication that the movie's critics were noticing something real.

It was based on a vision by a 19th C German nun who was known to be anti-semitic (not unusual for a German Catholic of that era). He didn't even claim it was based on the Bible until he decided to target Evangelicals as an audience. He produced a film based on the writings of an anti-Semite. That's enough for me.

Not quite.

There are however many people that dislike the Iraq war for their own reasons including the David Duke types that say it was caused by the Jews (yeah, Cheney, Bush and Rummy are Jewish)...

And as for the film - it sucked. It was a 2 1/2 hour S/M snuf film. And if that's having his rights violated, he's an idiot and can't take criticism.

And I have no idea hw Israeli policy in Leabanon figures into a drunk driving situation.

Not even a child gets away with this Mel. Try again.

he didn't blame Clinton.

Right before I left work I read that the cop who arrested Mel was being served a warrant and his computer siezed because the cops think he leaked details of the arrest report to the media. Poor Mel, guess he's the sheriff of Malibu after all.

And it seems to be that his own words betray what he's trying to say. From the article,

Asked by Sawyer what Jews are responsible for, Gibson replied: "What are they responsible for? I think that they're not blameless in the conflict. There's been aggression and retaliation and aggression. It's just part of being in conflict, and being at war. So, they're not blameless."

Mel, I think perhaps, I would not have phrased that as The Jews, but as "The Israeli Government." You do know that there's a difference, don't you Mel?

made him attack the Jews?

:crazy:

mikey_the_rat

Heh.

So the Jews brought it on themselves, and he's really the victim because his rights were violated.

Too bad that river he's crying isn't made of beer - he'd be in 7th heaven. :nopity:

from criticism? After years of being a public figure you're now a sacred cow as the "King of Malibu?" Please. Let us know when you're arrested, held without charge indefinitely without legal recourse. That's a violation of human rights, not criticizing you and your movie. Get off the cross Mel, you're not Jesus.

Also, Mel still has a problem distinguishing all the Jews in the world from the government of Israel. They're not monolithic, Mel. Strange sort of "apology," especially if you say it was just the booze talking and you've been dry for over two months.

VERY delayed.

He's going to dig up Gene Siskel and kick his ass because Siskel gave "Birn on a Wire" a bad review.

Every successful actor, writer, producer or director has had his or her work criticized at some point. Most, however, do not respond by breaking the law, endangering others, and acting like a complete jackass. If criticism bothers him that much, he really needs to retire. After all, he probably has enough money to live on for the rest of his life. I do not think that the rest of us will miss him.

".......I was subjected to a pretty brutal sort of public beating," he said. "And during the course of that, I think I probably had my rights violated........"

That wasn't "public beating". That was the BEAUTIFUL sound of our American freedom of speech. You know, the First Amendment and all that? The stuff your character in The Patriot fought for?????

If you don't like our idea of freedom of speech I suggest you go home to Australia, or better yet live in the ME where there IS no free speech.

that is ancient history? Mek Gibson is an ass. We all know that. But why is John Gibson talking about this now? With all the shit going on and kids dying in Iraq, there's a little more important stuff to discuss.

pounding the nail into Jesus's hand ... but that was on the "special edition" of the DVD ... available only through direct order from the KKK ...

You have to understand that his movie Passion was criticised a lot by Jews because it showed them in a bad light. His drunken rant happened while Israel were flattening Lebanon, most people afraid to criticise them incase they were labeled as anti-semites. He has since appologised for the outburst and I dont think it should ruin his career, the man whatever you say about him is a great director and I am sure he isnt a real anti-semite who hates all Jews. He was drunk at the time and let his emotions get the better of him.

but I dont think you can be certain that he is a true anti-semite who hates all Jews.

Cause if you did you'd think he hates all Jews. "Are you a Jew?" He repeatedly asked the cop. "Jews are responsible for all of the wars in the world." What in the world does that have to do with getting arrested for driving drunk? I have been very drunk and I am not a fan of Israel's violent foreign policies but it would never occur to me to say anything like this.

He was drunk out of his mind that night but that's no excuse or explanation. When you are drunk it's still just you getting drunk. You don't become a completely different person. I think his total behavior that night he should apologize for. He was so beligerant and uncooperative, He peed in his cell, call a woman "Sugar Tits." Clearly he feels entitled to be anything he wants to be. That is what was revealed.

I lived with one for 8 years. I guarantee that anyone who has lived with an alcoholic will tell you (if they're honest) that their personalities *do* change under the influence of the drug. That's really the whole point of drinking alcohol, isn't it?

This isn't just true with alcohol, but with any other psychoactive drug. Alcohol makes your speech (like your libido) more uninhibited, not more accurate.

When you are drunk you do not become a different person. Your values and beliefs do not change. It's you but drunk. So I once again completely disagree with this as an explanation.

... I said that their personality changes. An alcoholic that is usually peaceful and civil may become violent or paranoid very quickly after a drink. If you lived with alcoholics and didn't notice this, you were trying not to. Attend any Adult Children of Alcoholics meeting and they will all attest to this.

The fact remains that how an alcoholic reacts under the influence of a psychoactive drug does not make their personality while sober a lie. Your values and beliefs may or may not change (the value you place in not randomly abusing people just because you can might), but your ability to clearly and accurately communicate those values and beliefs *will* be negatively affected, guaranteed.

If you still want to defend the idea of alcohol as a drug that somehow makes you show everyone the ultimate truth about you, go ahead, but there's no way I'm going to agree with you on that. Mel may or may not have anti-Semitic beliefs (or just a latent paranoia of what powerful Jews might be willing to do to his career because of PotC), but his drunken ravings are no proof of it one way or the other.

I'd rather not share my personal history with alcoholics to justify my opinions but I'll say that you are assuming too much about me because I disagree with you. I will never accept it as an excuse for bad behavior or statements unrelated to who a person actually is. I think it's absurd to blame booze on Mel's behavior or Foley's. I had a few drinks last night and joked to my hubby, "ooh I better slow down. If I have another, I might start hating Jews or molesting children." When you drink you may act differently than sober but it's all you, no one else. It may permit you to say or do things you'd be too afraid to when sober but it all still comes from the person's mind, and experience. There is no ultimate truth about a person sober or drunk- it's all facets of one thing. You can have a drunk personality and a sober personality but they are parts of the whole, just like you have a professional personality, and a family personality etc. they all add up to you. The alcohol just taps parts of you that need expression. Gibson just has to live with the consequences of that expression. He can blame the catalyst of it but ultimately it's still just him. And now we just know him a bit better. I'll still always love Chicken Run though!

and has been so for the past 26 years. I do not exaggerate. He drinks at least a 12 pack of beer per night. He has NEVER made an anti semitic or racist remark. Alcohol removes inhibitions. Those feelings Mel Gibson expressed are just below the surface all the time, the excessive amounts of booze removed whatever kept him from voicing those opinions in public.

If Mel Gibson cannot take criticism then I'd say he is in the WRONG line of work. Most of his stuff SUCKS.

I have more than a few in my family -- the scourge of the Irish, you know. Not one acts differently drunk than they do sober -- it's just more uninhibited.


The October Follies.

That's an overstatement. I actually didn't mind Braveheart, but Passion sucked. It was just a crappy movie.

And frankly if him and Cruise end up having their careers go under after acting like lunatics in recent months, I can't say they didn't deserve it.

And drinking is no excuse for bigoted remarks...and Israel policy in Lebanon is not relevant to getting stopped for a DUI.

He's a whiny idiot that obviously can't take responsiblity for his actions.

:beer:

Dear Mel,

The reason I never watched the Passion of the Christ had nothing to do with other critics. It was something you said in an interview. I can't quote your exact words now, it's been so long, but you were describing the beating of Jesus and how you had a skill that other filmmakers lacked that allowed you to go deeper into that violence than others could.

While you said that, your body language lit up and you became animated, it was clear to me that those scenes really turned you on.

That was the day I decided I wouldn't watch that movie. Haven't seen it yet. Perhaps I'll see it someday, but I won't be consciously purchasing it.

a bullshit answer that satisfies himself. Fuck MG.

even if you do not sympathize with Mel's brand of Catholicism he does question Bush's Iraq policy and it would be good for progressives to recognize those that dont agree with them in everything. He did get a big beating about the film before it ever came out and the industry blocked distribution of the film. However, Mel should take a lot of gratification in the fact that he distributed it himself and made a whole lot of money. One would thing that would help to heal the injury.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

we can see that video. It's all too easy for him to explain away some printed excerpts of it and some statements. If we really saw the context, exactly what he said, when he said it, how he said it, he wouldn't be able to explain it away. It's so clear he has hate for Jews and if it's so benign and justified then show us the tape!

I've been very drunk several times in my life and I never once wanted to molest children or spew racial hatred. It's amazing how people try to excuse their behavior nowadays. :eyes:

and nothing you can say will help you in Hollywood now.

Maybe you and Tom Cruise can hook up. (Interpret that any way you like.)

but monotheists are.

except in nepal, i guess.

A place where a person can watch an tabloid media interview with someone they have no real connection to and deduce beyond a shadow of a doubt their deepest thoughts and motivations from their body language. And have it all continually "confirmed" and enabled by tabloid gossip circles.

A place where people can confidently say that the alcoholic lush sitting next to them in the bar is far more credible than their sober wife or husband, simply because some "medical expert" informed them online that alcohol is a "truth serum".

A place where you can be called an anti-Semite for stating accepted historical truth that some Jews did, in fact, share direct responsibility for Jesus's execution and did, in fact, profit politically from it. Along with some Christians - namely, Peter and Judas.

A place where you can seen as an anti-Semite simply because your father has made anti-Semitic statements, because you know, "like father, like son. QED."

While there's no defense for a statement like "Jews have caused all of the wars in history", there's also no defense for the mindless feeding frenzy people worked themselves into in response to a drunken outburst. In fact, I'm seeing more similarities between Mel's alcoholism and America's hype-aholism all the time.

But Mel's condition is at least treatable.

and that's why he was branded as an anti-semite. He's also homophobic and sexist. Just a charming fellow. And oh yeah, Passion was indeed anti-semitic, as well as being disgustingly violent.

his crappy movie? Words fail me.

on those rare occasions. But, even at my drunkest--more rare occasions--I've never lashed out at all Christians. Not even all Progressive Christians.

So, once again, I'm not doing it right.

"Gibson says ‘Passion’ criticism triggered tirade
Director tells Sawyer Israel ‘not blameless in the conflict’ with Lebanon"

No, MSNBC that is NOT what he said!


"Asked by Sawyer what Jews are responsible for, Gibson replied: "What are they responsible for? I think that they're not blameless in the conflict. There's been aggression and retaliation and aggression. It's just part of being in conflict, and being at war. So, they're not blameless.""

I love it!

Then he might have an idea of real suppresion and violation of people's rights.

What a fucking crybaby. I had no idea he was such a loon.

Mel got the idea that if someone were to make a snuff film starring Jesus they would likely make a billion dollars... so he did it. Making sure, of course, that the only one who profited would be him. Though I'm not really a Christian, I've always felt sorry for Jesus the man as he was used by everyone from the get-go to further their agenda... Gibson included. Jesus, to me, was just a really sweet and brilliant man who likely misjudged his fellow man's intentions and ended up paying for it in a horrible fashion, God rest his soul. "Canadian Moderate" is right... if Jesus were an American, we would've killed him too, just like Martin Luther King, the Kennedys, and John Lennon. There's a line in Don McClean's "Vincent" that goes- "this world was never meant for one as beautiful as you"... I think this sentiment applies to all these guys and many more.
No, Mel used Jesus to make a bunch of cash and that makes him a "Judas" of the highest order. If he loved Jesus so much and wanted to immulate the man, he would've done something wonderful with every last dime he made off of "The Passion". I see right through him and his "those were my hands that nailed Jesus to the cross in the movie... I wanted to illustrate that we're all sinners". Give me a break Mel... you wanted to illustrate a way to save even more money by doing some of the acting yourself! I'm surprised Danny Glover didn't play Judas, but then that would've eaten into the profits big time... there were no famous actors/famous actor salaries in the movie. Mel screwed Jesus into the ground once more for measure by taking advantage of the perverse nature of martyrdom... Why do the Christians spend so much time romancing the horrible death of Jesus when it was his life that made him so cool? It's pretty sick... maybe paying ten dollars to watch their saviour get pummeled is a joke on them for being perverts/massochists... yea, Mel gave 'em what they wanted and got what he wanted in the deal. Maybe there actually should be a Hell?
Don't get me started on Mel and Hell!

And I agree completely. I refuse to see Mel's disgusting snuff film because it was Jesus's life, philosophy, and teachings that mean so much to me, not his cruel death.

I wonder how Mel hid his raging boner as he filmed the scene where he nailed Jesus to the cross.

To me, his life is the point, though Rene' Girard's writings on sacrifice and scapegoating have me reconsidering. But for now, Jesus' ethical teachings are most important. And yes, I am a Christian.

Please don't define my faith for me.

I try and walk that path, I'm not sure how much is hype about Jesus and I really don't care. Peaceful guy that wanted people to love and not hate. Leave it to the Romans to go and fuck up a good idea.

I always thought of Mel as Mad Max, until I saw a SouthPark episode where he goes apeshit crazy. Now that I've seen The Passion and learned that Mel IS apeshit crazy, well. You know. :)

Mel has always been a hateful bigoted bastard, and he still is

should throw a pity party together. :nopity:

The bizarre body language during the interview, especially when he was describing the grip
alcohol has on his life. He said, "nothing matters, not his wife, his family, nothing..when he
wants to take a drink".. How dramatic is that..

Nope, Mel..your publicity stunt failed. Your insincere, staged interview with Diane Sawyer failed
miserably to convince anyone you are for real. It accomplished just what you were looking for..
FREE publicity- and something to talk about before your new movie is released..

Dr.Phil is available for consultation, if you are sincere. You're not too much for him to handle.
Warning though.. His Bull Shit detector is on and you may not want to hear what he has to say but
he at least will tell you the Truth..

and you tend to reveal your true attitudes that you may be very carefully concealing when you're sober.

for his "closeup"? Asking to go to the rest room, running his hands under water,
(which, I don't believe either..his hair was combed) in preparation for a mug shot?

And supposedly SO consumed with antisemitic rage, remained focused enough to
think of a mug shot photo considered tabloid gold?

The difference between Mel Gibson and Nick Nolte is, Nick Nolte isn't a fraud!

AFAIC, Mel Gibson is so full of himself; he's lost touch with reality.
He isn't even worthy to be in the game we all have to face day to day.

IMO, he's lower than whale shit!

for being just so unliikable. I mean really, what reasonable, sane person wouldn't hate jews if they are being honest and objective, right?

Do I need to put the sarcasm incon in (actually, I don't know how, so I'll just say it, I guess!)

Thanks, kber :)

And Mel.


And here I was being so interfaith friendly and all.

I've never been a fan, so it's no big sacrifice, but this blame the victim bullshit ensures I will never watch a gibson movie.

There is something very foreign and illiberal in the Gibson psyche. His views might almost remind one of the clerical fascist movements of the 1930s.

FIGHTING for Franco!

(And getting royally pissed with Errol as often as he could, as well.)

If it's taken THIS long for criticism of it to sink in, he really DOES have a substance abuse problem!!!

:eyes:
rocknation

Not anti-semitic? :spray:

:eyes:

Jews and Leprechauns. Bastards.

those gimpy little motherfuckers...:sarcasm:

Yes, Yes, he was drunk and very disorderly! Alkies say insane things! I just don't see him as being the total complete asshole everyone paints him as. And furthermore, take all the energy in your hatred for him for something useful in getting THE REAL ASSHOLES outta DC!!!

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comments by a drunken Mel Gibson. What the media did was leap on the comments which all would agree were stupid, but failed to say anything about his drunken driving down the highway or in the city...that is what the media failed to do....

I'd be mad at being shown up too!

And the nice request for help? Dayum! I was going to drive over there to help him with his little problem....

"first they killed Jesus, and then they caused me to speak nonsensically!"

There's nothing like opening your mouth and proving your critics right.

I didn't think "The Passion" was anti-semitic. I thought that pains were taken to show that the crucifixion was due to the actions of a few powerful people on the jewish council and Pontius Pilate. It was still a hard movie to watch, due to the graphic violence.

However, I do think Mel is anti-semitic.

an American mean that you're immune from criticism? What another stupid thing to say.

He's got the right to make any kind of movie he wants. Everyone else has the right to talk badly about it. There's no guarantee it won't be criticized -- even harshly.

What a pampered, egotistical dolt!