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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:44 PM
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NYT: Guardedly, Democrats Are Daring to Believe

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/22/us/politics/22dems.html?em&ex=1161576000&en=386c11e8a8fd7af7&ei=5087%0A

Guardedly, Democrats Are Daring to Believe

WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 — There is something unusual bubbling in Democratic political waters these days: optimism.

With each new delivery of bad news for Republicans — another Republican congressman under investigation, another Republican district conceded, another poll showing support for the Republican-controlled Congress collapsing — a party that has become so used to losing is considering, disbelievingly and with the requisite worry, the possibility that it could actually win in November.

“I’ve moved from optimistic to giddy,” said Gordon R. Fischer, a former chairman of the Iowa Democratic Party. “I really have.”

Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, who is in line to become chairman of the Financial Services Committee in a Democratic House, offered wry evidence of the changing perception of the race. His office, Mr. Frank said, has been contacted by a portrait-painting firm offering to talk about possibilities for the traditional committee chairman’s painting, one of those perks of power long absent from the lives of House Democrats.

“I’ve acquired a lot of new friends this year,” Mr. Frank said. “And I haven’t gotten any nicer.”

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 09:58 PM
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1. Americans are absolutely SICK of the GOP.
They've done nothing but redirect our wealth to the rich. OBL is out there laughing at us, Iraq and Afghanistan are laughing at us. Our infrastructure in considerable;y weakened, our health care is for the elites only. W know it's wrong.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:13 PM
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2. But Nancy Pelosi Will Get Us All Killed
if the dems take over. It's already starting on the TeeVee
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 06:32 AM
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5. Not only that but I heard
She was actually within 20 feet of a gay person on a city street.......whisper whisper......
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 11:51 PM
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3. Another article about 06 that doesn't talk about the House Gerrymandering
Which, according to Krugman, gives the GOP such an advantage that it requires us to get 7% more than the GOP before we can actually win the districts...

Here's Bob Somerby recapping Krugman, since Krugman is behind the NYTimes force field:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh101606.shtml

(snip)

THE SEVEN-PERCENT CONVOLUTION: Hurrah! We think it’s a very important point, and Krugman discussed it again last Friday. We don’t know who’s going to win next month’s House elections. But in his column, Krugman explained a “G.O.P structural advantage” in the way our House elections now work:

KRUGMAN (10/13/06): Unless the Bush administration is keeping Osama bin Laden in a freezer somewhere, a majority of Americans will vote Democratic this year. If Congressional seats were allocated in proportion to popular votes, a Democratic House would be a done deal. But they aren't, and the way our electoral system works, combined with the way ethnic groups are distributed, still gives the Republicans some hope of holding on.

The key point is that African-Americans, who overwhelmingly vote Democratic, are highly concentrated in a few districts. This means that in close elections many Democratic votes are, as political analysts say, wasted—they simply add to huge majorities in a small number of districts, while the more widely spread Republican vote allows the G.O.P. to win by narrower margins in a larger number of districts.


Because of concentrations of Democratic voters, many Democratic votes are “wasted” in congressional races. Krugman goes on to rework the math for this fall’s elections. According to Krugman, Dems could win the popular vote by a healthy margin, and still not take back the House:

KRUGMAN: My back-of-the-envelope calculations suggest that because of this ''geographic gerrymander,'' even a substantial turnaround in total Congressional votes...would leave the House narrowly in Republican hands. It looks as if the Democrats need as much as a seven-point lead in the overall vote to take control.

(snip)

To state the obvious, that’s a remarkable state of affairs. And here’s an equally remarkable fact—we Democrats never discuss it! We never discuss the fact that we need to win by at least seven points if we just want to break even! Is there a way to redistrict in various states which would reduce this “structural disadvantage?” Who knows? We’re Democrats! We don’t seem to care! To all appearances, our leaders are perfectly happy to keep finishing second, as we have told you before.

This seven-point “GOP structural advantage” is important for two basic reasons. First, it keeps Democrats from gaining control of the House. Let us ask you a simple question. Can you imagine the modern Republican Party sitting still for a built-in, seven-point disadvantage? For ourselves, we find that quite hard to picture. But then, as has been clear for a good long time, the GOP’s leadership cares who wins. The Dem leadership doesn’t much seem to.

But there’s a second reason why this is important. Let’s say the following happens next month: Let’s say Dems out-poll Reps by seven or eight points—but Republicans retain a narrow margin in the House (perhaps one seat). Democrats will be ridiculed all over the press—and no one will mention the fact that we won a significant margin of votes. Our party is too lazy to fight for a real chance to win—and too stupid to care about optics.

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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 12:16 AM
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4. Or systematic vote suppression, or....
:puke:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 06:48 AM
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6. I didn't even have to click on it to know that was Adam Nagourney
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 06:54 AM by depakid
If I were you all- I think I might read between the lines...

Or actually, ignore the piece althogether.

That man's condecending rhetoric is so transparent and easy to detect that it surprises me that he's still got employent at the Times (cohorts in the byline or not)

Read- or take half seriously- at your own risk.

(Actually- on edit- this should be posted on the editorial forum. So far as I can tell, Nagourney's never turned in news).
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 07:44 AM
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7. I am afraid to be optimistic.
I've had my hopes dashed a few times, starting with Bush's Supreme Court Coup and ascension to the oval office. I am now, very tentatively and reluctantly, allowing myself to almost believe that we may...may...at least take the house.
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