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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:05 PM
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Drug raid yields Los Alamos documents
From AP via Yahoo News:

WASHINGTON - A drug raid on a Los Alamos scientist's home in New Mexico turned up what appeared to be classified documents taken from the nuclear weapons lab, the
FBI said Tuesday.
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Police discovered the documents at the scientist's home while making an arrest in a methamphetamine investigation, according to an FBI official in Washington who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case.

--snip--

The idea that police found classified documents at a home where a drug sting was being conducted is disturbing, she said.

"The problem is when you actually have those materials that are supposed to be protected inside the lab and you find them outside the lab in the hands of criminals — that should worry everybody," Brian said.

--snip--


  "Unidentified female scientist", "Los Alamos", "methamphetamines", "arrest". Now those are words I did not ever imagine I'd see correctly belonging to the same set. Anyone dig up anything else about this? It's very weird, and breaking.

PB
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:11 PM
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1. Rove Alert Rove Alert
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:14 PM
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2. I'd wait for more information...
...not that any real info is likely to be forthcoming. But from a national lab, I mean, even the napkins are probably classified. Most of the usual flotsam that finds its way into brief cases and notebooks is probably classified. National labs are utterly obsessive about security. Memos, schedules, staff notes, menus from the cafeteria-- all are likely to be "important national security documents." They're certainly all considered "secret." I'm not really exaggerating. Anyway, I'd be reluctant to get too worked up about this until the NATURE of those classified documents is revealed. I suspect the FBI will bring charges even if they're frivolous in reality, simply because they're obsessive about security.
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:22 PM
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3. A Korean drug addict scientist is selling nukes to Kim Jong Il!
Let the witchhunt begin!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:24 PM
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4. yeah-- ring any bells...?
eom
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:29 PM
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5. why does this sound like so much bs?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:46 PM
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6. This makes no sense. NO SENSE AT ALL, goddamit.
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 09:48 PM by Jackpine Radical
A Los Alamos scientist doing METH? Ferchrissake, cocaine, sure; pot, sure. Maybe ecstasy, maybe acid, maybe shrooms, maybe oxy, maybe a lot of things--but METHAMPHETAMINE? Nobody who can read would put that shit in their bodies. It fries your brain (burns out the dopamine receptors, makes you anhedonic), it rots your teeth out of your head, it destroys your body, and everyone, but everyone, knows it. Only losers who have no access to anything else, and no hope in life, do meth.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:47 PM
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7. More people do meth than you know...
...and they're not all toothless tweakers.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:55 PM
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9. Maybe not toothless tweakers
YET.

I was a field psychologist for WI probation & parole, covering a 16-county region that includes the 5 counties with the highest bust rates for meth in the state. These are small, rural counties. I did psych evals of many meth heads. The one thing they had in common was the degree of certain kinds of psychopathology they displayed--types of psychopathology directly related to histories of physical, emotional and sexual abuse and neglect in early childhood. These people had snakes in their heads that they had to anesthetize at any cost.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:02 PM
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11. Scary, scary. If you have any links who go into...
...post-use common denominators (as far as psychological disorders go), let me know or kick 'em over in a PM. Lots of meth users where I live. I don't know much about what it does except that it does very, very bad things to your mind. Alot of people have told me that it sort of rewires your brain, permanently after X amount of use. I'm not sure how much credence I give those descriptions but I am curious.

PB
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:09 PM
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14. I did a lit search a couple years ago
when I prepared some training sessions I did for P&P agents. I'll have a go at looking it up later. Try googling, though. There was quite a lot around, MRI brain data etc. The dopamine/anhedonic pattern seemed to be the biggest thing.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 PM
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8. Well, I don't think the article says that the female scientist was...
...the subject of the sting, just that it happened at their home. Since it was the subject of a sting operation (so presumably there was some planning) one of the possibilities is that it could have been a relative (child, spouse, other relation) who was the target of the sting.

  You're right, I can't imagine anyone with a brain putting meth into their bodies. It's like paying for cancer.

PB
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:59 PM
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10. Your point is taken.
My wife made the same point when I read her the OP & my post.

It's kinda painful to be surrounded by all these smart people.
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:34 PM
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18. "It's like paying for cancer."
More than 1 in 5 Americans smoke cigarettes. Addiction makes people with brains do strange things...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:07 AM
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28. It takes a lot longer to wreck yourself with cigarettes
than with meth.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:29 PM
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17. Cooking, Maybe
Maybe this person was doing a little lab work on the side, if you get my meaning? ;)
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:50 PM
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19. Oh you would be surprised. A drug ring was busted at NIH years ago.
Low-level lab techs were making the stuff for some pretty highly regarded researchers using lab money (Federal funds) to buy the raw materials. The lab tech was arrested, sent to prison, and the professional high level scientists went on to business as usual and was quietly transferred somewhere else. This all happend back in the 80's but I bet some form of it is still going on in Federal labs and university labs around the country.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:54 PM
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20. did meth for 7 years
and I was never arrested, or even questioned by the cops.

You don't know me Jackpine.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:29 PM
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22. As a scientist (chemist?) she may have been mixing the meth to sell it. (nt)
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:22 AM
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24. Or someone there, anyway. I wound up reading about how...
...meth is made. Didn't realize it's been around for so long, or the bizarre historical tidbits like its use in Nazi Germany, etc. Good call.

PB
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:10 AM
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29. Yes, yes.
And meth makes white women have sex with negroes, and eat "California Cheeseburgers."

:crazy:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:03 PM
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12. *Bush Says Republicans Will Win on National Security and Economy*


Link: http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-10-24-voa72.cfm


1. They sure as hell won't win.

2. They only 'talk' a good game about security.

3. The only good thing that could be said about
the economy is that the DJIA is up.



That's three strikes. Yer out, Asshole.



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:14 PM
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15. The Dow is up because the market thinks the Dems are a shoo-in.
They just aren't willing to admit such a heresy.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:00 PM
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21. theory: when the DJIA goes up, variances of income increase
I've always suspected that an increase in the Dow average is a sign that that the rich are getting richer, while the poor are getting poorer, i.e., variances of income are increasing. I don't think the Dow cares who is in power as long as the worker is being exploited.

As a general rule, when averages increase and variances increase at the same time, it is a sign of instability. Something I learned in a statistics course at school years ago.

OTOH I think a better indicator of economic health would be the Gini index/co-efficient rather than the Dow, although it has some limitations. In this context, the USA is closer to Latin America and African countries in terms of wealth inequality. Northern Europe tends to have more equal distributions of income.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:12 AM
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23. Good point.
Reinforced by the inverse relationship between the Dow and wages/unemployment.

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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:40 PM
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30. The Dow is only back to what it was when The Moron took office....
6 friggin' years ago. Adjusted for inflation it shows a net loss under the Moron. That's the 1st loss under a pres since Hoover. Under Clinton it was up 14% per year on average for 8 years. The Market essentially doubled........... twice.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:06 PM
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13. some security, eh?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:19 PM
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16. Great catch...Danielle Brian also seems to be an ass-kicker!
Police found what appeared classified information from Los Alamos National Laboratory during a drug raid, according to a Project On Government Oversight tip confirmed by the Associated Press and CBS News last night. The incident is under investigation by the FBI.

“This appears to be a new low: even drug dealers can get classified information out of Los Alamos ,” said Danielle Brian, Executive Director of the Project On Government Oversight (POGO).


  Looks like POGO tipped the media off to the incident? If that's the case, it makes sense why the government is keeping mum about it.

From First Ammendment Center:

Since 1993, Danielle Brian has been the executive director of the Project On Government Oversight, a nonprofit government watchdog. She frequently testifies before Congress and appears in major national news outlets, including ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, Washington Post, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, USA TODAY and National Public Radio. Brian has led numerous investigations that have exposed wasteful government spending and helped precipitate policy reforms improving government programs.

Under her watch, POGO prevailed in a lawsuit against then-Attorney General John Ashcroft for retroactively classifying FBI documents; forced the government to apply environmental standards to the super-secret Area 51 facility; forced the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to back down on its excessive secrecy regarding lax security at the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant outside New York City; and has advocated for the rights of whistleblowers and other dissenters to have their voices heard.

Before becoming executive director, Brian worked as a producer for television documentaries, as a policy analyst at the Arms Control and Foreign Policy Congressional Caucus, and as a research associate at POGO.

Brian earned a master's degree in International Relations from the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University in 1990.

Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2006.


  I always like learning about people who bitch-slap Ashcroft in court, always.

PB


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 06:51 AM
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25. I just love the part about "it was just a mistake and the disks never exist...
In 2004, the lab was essentially shut down after an inventory showed that two computer disks containing nuclear secrets were missing. A year later the lab concluded that it was just a mistake and the disks never existed.

Now that's a great excuse!!!! :silly:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:15 AM
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26. if police are searching for a meth lab, what are they doing reading
scientific documents? Honestly! something really stinks about this.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:43 AM
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27. Excellent. We have a tweaker working at Los Alamos. n/t
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:47 PM
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31. For some reason those remind me of Primus Lyrics. n/t
PB
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 02:30 PM
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32. I'm too tragically unhip to know anything about Primus.
(Other than recognizing their name, as a rock band.)
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