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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:40 PM
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AP: Court: Foley Voters May See Name List
Court: Foley Voters May See Name List

By BRENT KALLESTAD
Associated Press Writer

October 27, 2006, 7:04 PM EDT

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Voters deciding on a replacement for disgraced Rep.
Mark Foley may be provided with a list of candidates in the race as they
enter the voting booth next month, an appeals court ruled Friday.

Foley's name will appear on the Nov. 7 ballot because his resignation came
too late to make changes after revelations that the Florida Republican sent
lurid electronic messages to male teenage congressional pages. A replacement
GOP candidate, Joe Negron, is running in Foley's place.

Republicans proposed posting signs at polling places that explained a vote
for Foley would go to Negron to avoid voter confusion. But Democrats
challenged the idea in court, saying it would amount to a last-minute plug
for Negron.

A three-judge panel of the 1st District Court of Appeals ruled Friday that
providing notices was fine, but only if the notices include other candidates'
names. The court did not address how the information should be given out --
such as whether the notices can be handed to voters or posted.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-foleys-district-polls,0,5236527.story
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:52 PM
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1. I hope the Dems appeal this higher. n/t
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:53 PM
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2. This is begging for abuse if the ruling was that thin.
I'm not making any revelations here so I'm just saying, we could see a notice that says JOE NEGRON in huge print at the top of a list unless they specifically said otherwise...
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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:06 PM
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3. There is nothing wrong
With having an informed electorate.

I got my ass jumped for saying that after Foley resigned and I imagine I'll get my ass jumped again today.

I just can't understand how anyone here would want to play games with an election.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 08:30 PM
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6. i kinda agree. we're gonna win that one anyway.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:51 AM
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8. There is a difference between informing folks and promoting a candidate to folks.
Informing is something that should be done by voting managers. Promoting one candidate over another is not. And it is against the law to promote a candidate close to polling places.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:13 AM
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9. I understand what you are saying.........
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 08:17 AM by Rebellious Republica
However, I live in Florida, you can bet that there is no reason for the electorate not to be informed.

Number one, just about every night the corporate owned media down here as had a story on every channel, everyday about Negron replacing Foley. Its on the radio, the newspapers, on blogs, 24/7.

Believe me, if the public has not been informed by now, then they will never be informed no matter what you do.

Number two, It is against the law, the republicans will abuse it if allowed to do so. They have no regard for laws or ethics in this state,I have seen it first hand year after year.

Number three, they have brought this on themselves, with their hypocritical arrogance, ethics, morals, greed and corruption.

What you say sounds good on the surface, it is a noble concept, its just time we say enough is enough, no more. And I am a former republican

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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 05:55 PM
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11. It's not promoting a candidate
When you enter a voting booth, your ballot should be 100% accurate. If it isn't, you should be given the corrections. It's not "promoting" a candidate to tell the voter their ballot is inaccurate and to reproduce the entire page or screen in written form for them correctly. Anything else is just playing a game and hoping you can trick people. We demand complete and accurate counting of votes so why would we support screwed up ballots?
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 06:41 PM
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12. But the ballot is not inaccurate or screwed up.
Candidates allowed to be on the ballot are determined at a fixed point in time. Any candidate changes after that generally must be made via write in votes. Although Florida's law seems to be a bit different, the principle is the same - after a certain date you don't get to change who's on the ballot. The rules are there to permit an orderly voting process. It is hard enough to get ballots printed and tested on time when the cutoff date is followed (e.g. Cuyahoga County, Ohio had to hand count ballots because their ballots were misprinted and didn't have time to fix them; Summit County was about 2 weeks late with its absentee ballots because of printing errors.) Permitting changes after the cutoff date just invites real ballot screw ups because people have to work too quickly to use the care that needs to be taken with elections to make sure everything is done fairly. Even though this change is being done via another means, it still injects added risk that mistakes will be made. It is not worth the risk for an individual or party that missed the deadline.

If the ballot were inaccurate I would agree with you - but the ballots are accurate as of the cutoff date that applied to all candidates.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:33 AM
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13. Well, if the issue ever comes up in New Mexico........
I am sure you will be one of the front runners to change the law in YOUR state 2 weeks before an election.

Since I am a Florida resident, I will continue to oppose it up to the election. Maybe after the election, some serious thought can be put into the matter, and a reasonable solution can be reached for future elections.

Just what the GOP wants and is hoping for, a quick solution (that they proposed), to a problem solved by the courts and not the electorate.

A rush to provide a quick fix proposed solely by republicans with out looking at the ramifications to future elections is not a good idea. It can wait if it is that big of a problem.

Are you opposed to giving thoughtful reflection and due diligence on a serious matter that may have lasting legal consequences for years to come.

Are you opposed to giving the people of Florida an opportunity to have a voice in the laws that govern themselves.

You know, a government decided by the people for the people.

My suggestion would be, if you feel so strongly about it, become a Florida resident and get a petition started to put it up for referendum.



I refuse to give an inch to the GOP, they deserve nothing, let the arrogant bastards wallow in there filth.

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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:25 PM
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14. What ramifications

Could there possibly be to giving the voters a sheet of paper telling them the ballots are inaccurate and informing them of the changes?

Good grief, people. You'd think I was suggesting a poll tax.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 06:24 PM
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15. "What ramifications" now you are catching on, my question exactly.
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 06:25 PM by Rebellious Republica
You must be young, and not have a understanding of how laws are created and why. A good law does protect us from unscrupulous people, a bad law does not. Laws can be very complicated business, each little nuance may have an effect like opening Pandora's box. If not carefully worded, it can open doors in areas that one would never expect. Its kind of like crafting legislation, when just the addition of one tiny little amendment changes things in many ways. If you care to review Florida election law here is a good link. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=IX This should answer your own question,check back when you have sifted through it.

You just do not understand, do not care and want instant results regardless of what else may be affected, how republican of you.

"You'd think I was suggesting a poll tax" :rofl:

You must have DU confused with that "OTHER" website that Neocons use :eyes: , this a "liberal" site, and everyone knows "libruls" like creating new taxes.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 08:11 PM
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4. They are legislating from the bench.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 08:21 PM
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5. While I can't stand Repukes
I can't understand why this is a bad thing. People should know who they're voting for, whatever party.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:16 AM
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7. Then there will be a 'glich' at the printers and only Negron's name
appears on the list. Opps, too late to do anything, oh well, stuff happens, maybe next time we will be more careful, no one could have imagined something like this could happen.

Ya'll know the routine!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:52 PM
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10. This will confuse Republican voters.
They'll see one name outside and another inside. And no one can tell them that a vote for Foley is a vote for Negron.
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