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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:36 PM
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Dobson Quits Haggard Counseling Team
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Dobson Quits Haggard Counseling Team
From Associated Press
November 07, 2006 9:19 PM EST
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - Citing a lack of time, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson withdrew Tuesday from the team overseeing counseling for the Rev. Ted Haggard, the evangelical pastor who was fired amid allegations of gay sex and drug use.

"Emotionally and spiritually, I wanted to be of help - but the reality is I don't have the time to devote to such a critical responsibility," Dobson said.

The other two members of the team, Pastors Jack Hayford of The Church on the Way in Van Nuys, Calif., and Tommy Barnett of First Assembly of God in Phoenix, declined to comment.

Haggard was forced out as senior pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church on Saturday after a former male escort alleged they had sex repeatedly and that Haggard used methamphetamines.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:37 PM
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1. Shit like this happens when his Party loses in a landslide.
He's got to worry about all of his own skeletons in his closet. It's every man for himself now.
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:43 AM
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35. This is one of those times...
...when I wish I could recommend a reply!

:toast:
:spray:
:rofl:

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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:13 AM
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44. How Christian of Dobson
Not enough time to help and save a soul...tsk tsk.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:39 PM
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2. That was quick.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 05:42 AM
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31. My instant thought, exactly!!
:applause:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:42 PM
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3. doesn't have time because it's a full-time job babysitting a junkie john.
Edited on Tue Nov-07-06 11:43 PM by truthisfreedom
for straight people, it's called hookers and blow.

i've known people with this problem... it's a tough thing to cure.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:45 PM
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4. Dobson probably couldn't deal with Haggard's eagerness to shower
naked together.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:47 PM
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5. Run away, run away!
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:48 PM
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6. No time to help a fellow man of the cloth? Some fine Christian is Dobson.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 05:42 AM
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30. It's
when he took off the cloth, that was the problem!!
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:52 PM
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7. "I wanted to be of help - but the reality is I'm pretty scared of gays"
is what he meant...
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:55 PM
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9. "Fuck 'em till they bleed, then toss their used bodies on the pile."
Is what he meant...
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:09 AM
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10. Dobson probably is gay, heavily in the closet though. N/T
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:17 AM
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41. Aren't they all heavily in the closet? Until they're not?
Poor Dobson. I think it was hitting a little too close to home for him.
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 11:55 PM
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8. Dobson has nothing to offer this man - Dobson's a politician
not a man of God. Nothing to do with time - he's just realized (tonight) its a vote-loser - a pox on his house , Dobson's a Philistine.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:15 AM
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11. DING DING DING
nothing else needs said... I guess this is a blessing for Haggard though, maybe this will allow him to hopefully be himself since Dobby won't be around to harass him...
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:16 AM
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12. Oh, I thought maybe Dobson was just feeling haggard...
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:32 AM
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14. Well, at least he told it straight up
Hee, hee, hee.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:28 AM
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13. Um... cut and run, mr. "Focus on the Pharisees"???
Man. They are in deep disarray. DEEP disarray. Which is exactly where we want them!

:toast:
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:45 AM
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17. Damn right! Listen, I lived in Colo. Springs for a while, where...
'Focus on the Family' is HQ'd, along with all kinds of other loony stuff, and someone had the balls to have this on their car there:
FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 03:08 AM
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27. Welcome to DU!
Glad you're here - especially on a night like this. It's been SO long since we had anything we could savor. This is sweet indeed. Come share the joy!!!
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:34 AM
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15. I can see it now,
Ted: Hiya Jim
Jim: Brother Ted, what DID you do?
Ted: Say, Jim, you want a snort?
Jim: wha . . . ?
Ted: You a bottom or a top?
Jim: bottom. . . ?
Ted: Ever do a threesome? It's cool, especially if they are younger!
Jim: get your hands off my zipper.
Ted: I like them big, Jim. Are you big, Jim?
Jim: I'm outta here.
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:35 AM
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16. Hey Dobson!!
Ya gonna cut and run huh? :spank:
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:47 AM
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18. Dobson knows he won't be able to lie about the outcome
of Ted's "restoration." This one is going to be too public and Dobson knows that there is no such thing as "restoring" a gay person. He knows that all he can do is make them hate themselves so much that they deny what they are.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:47 AM
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19. no time for losers? I'd rather be a temporary loser than an eternal asshole
:evilgrin:
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 01:01 AM
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20. Turn the other cheek? nt
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 01:03 AM
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21. I think he found something out
something so upsetting that he doesn't want to be invovled. Considering we've publicly covered three major Christian bugaboos, gay sex, cheating, and drug use, I'd say it'd have to be pretty heavy duty.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 01:07 AM
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22. Yes. Most plausible. n/t
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 03:07 AM
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26. it has to be asked: how close was Haggard to children?
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 03:08 AM by anotherdrew
other than his own

there must be some 'uneasy' parents out there in fundie land tonight
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:11 AM
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39. Get ready for the sequel -- Jesus Camp XXX !
'uneasy' parents out there in fundie land?

Watch out for Jesus Camp XXX!

Don't let your children be indoctrinated and fall victim to the good ol' boys and gals, and the dukes (pukes) of haggard. :puke:
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 01:27 PM
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50. but the guy he's been having sex with is a mature muscle-man in his forties
That doesn't suggest "child molester" or "boylover" to me at all. What it suggests is that Haggard is simply gay (or bisexual with a stronger attraction to men), and just can't go against his nature anymore.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:47 AM
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37. Very true. He would not back away from that publicity and cash.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 01:16 AM
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23. Not the way I heard it...
Edited on Wed Nov-08-06 01:28 AM by Raster
Citing a soft market and a lost cause, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson withdrew Tuesday from the team overseeing reprogramming for the Rev. Ted Haggard, the evangelical pastor who was fired after allegations of gay sex and drug use were made by a male prostitute. Shortly thereafter homemade pornographic videos appeared on xtube.com. of Haggard looking haggard and engaging in sexual acts illegal in Utah.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 02:02 AM
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24. Big surprise there...
...not.

Haggard is radioactive, and however odious Dobson is, he's no idiot. If he "counsels" Teddy-boy, it will sully his image with the faithful. Guilt by association. Better to say a few nice words, then move on.

What a lovely, brotherly bunch these "Christians" are.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 02:07 AM
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25. Focus on the Phallus deserts the ship..
The Daily Show had video of several wingnut rapture right distancing themselves from Haggard.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:16 AM
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40. ROTFLMAO...Focus on the Phallus.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 05:33 AM
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28. dobson proving once again he's a tapeworm.
a shit sucking parasite -- who looks for his own aggrandizement.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 05:41 AM
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29. What a lack of um....focus.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:32 AM
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32. Dobson was getting too turned-on. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:40 AM
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33. Look how quickly they abandon each other.
They have no more loyalty for each other, than they did for this country.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:41 AM
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34. His 'help' lasted all of
a couple of days. What a good friend:sarcasm:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:45 AM
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36. Well, so much for de-homoizing that. "Uh...what are we doing this afternoon?"
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:04 AM
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38. So this whole showing them your penis thing must not have gone as planned.
At least that was the prescription that Dobson advocated before.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:53 AM
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42. And here I was thinking this was a 'marriage' made in heaven...
:sarcasm:
...a sadistic, arrogant 'top' and a penitent 'bottom' who probably feels he's got it coming to him no matter what.
:spank:
Maybe they couldn't agree on a safety word?
:rofl:

But seriously, you guys are right...you can't 'cure' homosexuality any more than you can 'cure' being lefthanded or having blue eyes.
Dobson knows this...but can't admit it because it goes against his personal and political interests religious beliefs.
He's not stupid, he's just an arrogant, bigoted, hypocritical nasty piece of work.
But other than that...:puke:
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:10 AM
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43. Compassionate conservatives! "Let's do lunch sometime - I'll pencil you in"
Such a perfect story for today - it has everything!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:08 AM
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45. Guess he's beyond hope for the 'gay cure'
What a bunch of weenies
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:22 AM
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46. No showers for them?
He's not going to show Haggard who's boss? Awww...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:07 PM
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47. Someone that you can count on when the chips are down???
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:17 PM
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48. Twistin.
"...she want's to see you twistin-- twistin,twistin in the wind." --They Might Be Giants.
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Treclo Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 12:43 PM
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49. Whatever happened to
hate the sin, but love the sinner? Not so very christian of you, Jimmy boy!
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 07:39 PM
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51. Teddy Too Hardcore Now! He Can't Be Turned Back! LOL
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 08:31 PM
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52. Suppose it's difficult to counsel someone when that someone...
...is on the run.

"Emotionally and spiritually, I wanted to be of help - but the reality is I don't have the time to devote to such a critical responsibility," Dobson said.
:rofl:

Translation: "I wanted to appear to want to help, but the reality is, I really don't want to f**k with him!"
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:05 PM
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53. jdadd said it first...but it was my first thought as well...
Dobson is a cutter and runner. Gonna see a lot of this in all areas over the next few days.
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 09:09 PM
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54. Why did he agree to "help" if he didn't have the time?
Does he not know his schedule?
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 10:31 PM
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55. Dobson is an opportunist and compassion for Haggard won't pay the bills...
Dobson is about power and money. Can't wait to see who he'll exploit next for his own gain. :grr:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-08-06 11:45 PM
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56. Dobson is afraid of gay cooties
Plus, he needs more time to beat up puppies.
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