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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:40 PM
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Bush Warns Iran, Syria to Stop 'Terror' Support
CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - President Bush accused Iran and Syria on Monday of supporting militants seeking to undo the fragile Middle East peace process and warned they would be held accountable. ..

Bush's blast at Syria and Iran was unprompted. It came in his opening statement as he talked about the possibility for progress in the Middle East, with Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas coming to Washington for talks on Friday with Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to follow in the days ahead.

"Today Syria and Iran continue to harbor and assist terrorists. This behavior is completely unacceptable and states that support terror will be held accountable," Bush said.

More here
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pdove Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:42 PM
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1. We are in Mess in Iraq and Afganistan
and now we are going into Liberia. Can our president make friends with anyone?
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:42 PM
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2. Crawford?
What's the Monkey Boy doing in Crawford again?

Doesn't he have work to do at the office?
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:44 PM
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4. Junior is Sharon's poodle
Israel's FM releases a statement, and right on cue the puppet reads his lines. Disgusting.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:45 PM
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5. Yeah, and that damned Sharon called him while he was
fishing in his pond and told him to talk tough about their Arab neighbors.

Just when Pickles was getting a foot rub from the Italian stallion.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:44 PM
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3. Interpretation
Sharon demands Bush warn Iran, Syria to Stop 'Terror' Support (so of course that's what Bush will do)
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annagull Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:48 PM
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6. Annagull warns Bush* to quit 'starting wars'
We don't even have enough troops on the ground in Iraq as it is--so SHUT UP ALREADY!! :scared:
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:57 PM
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17. or 'The Empire' will stike back.
This will truely fire up the anti-US Iraqis.
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Emoto Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:49 PM
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7. Good.
The same should be said to Egypt.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:51 PM
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8. Egypt?
What are you talking about?
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haymaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 04:37 PM
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16. How'd you ever get 700 posts?
Very stealthy. I, and I doubt I am alone, have known since the beginning.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 02:07 PM
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9. He must be ticked that the CIA put the kibosh
on his attempt last week to show Congress how Syria is a threat to the region. Good. Let him keep talking like this and maybe the CIA will be more specific about why they dismissed his admin's collection of "intelligence".
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jos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 02:09 PM
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10. Can you say distraction?
"Gotta get those cable news stations off of my falling polls and Kobe, and get them to get the Showdown with Iran and/or Syria show going. Beat those drums. Create that fear. Now look at my poll numbers go back to the stratosphere."
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:34 PM
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19. Yeah but it ain't gonna work this time.
As Republican Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Karl Rove looked at this statement and thought, "Well maybe I can fool most of the people most of the time."
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Johnyawl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 02:10 PM
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11. Most of the money for Islamic terroists groups...

...is still coming from Saudi sources. How come he doesn't threaten them?
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ChillEB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:14 PM
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21. A Rhetorical Question, of course...
The answer to that would be, uh, because, well, you might say something like "The Saudi's play a nice game of ball with US corporations. Pretty much let them win most of the time!"

and/or
"Don't be silly. You know how much SUPPORT for the Bush Family the Saudi's have coughed up over the years? Sheesh.

and/or
"Heck, some of SA's richest elite, like Khashoggi (sp?) the Arms Dealer, and the Bin Laden family, are some of the BFEE's bestest buddies, since WAY back!"

and/or
"Actually, it's not the Faud's fault that they support terra-ism. You see, it's ACTUALLY that them evil terrorists are extorting $ from 'em, and they gotta pay it, on account of otherwise the terra-ists gonna start one o' them "fun-damn-mentalist revolutions". Can't have none o' that nasty ol' "will of the people" situations breaking out all over the Kingdom!"
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 02:11 PM
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12. I've always thought Syria was the Next War! Bush is heading there
Escalation maybe Bush's only option & Blairs

:bounce:
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 03:43 PM
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13. Israel is pushing the US hard to attack Syria and Iran.
I guess they haven't heard about the 'quagmire'.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 03:45 PM
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14. Good Grief!
Someone needs to yank the sock from this jerk's crotch and stuff it somewhere else!

Stick a sock in it! Quit rattling the threatening sabers and figure out how to stop the last two military problems that our service men and women are dealing with - not to even think about the Liberia issue -- this is beyond ridiculous. :grr:
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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 04:34 PM
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15. This is as bad as 'bring'em on' for our troops in Iraq.
The stupidity just won't stop.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:22 PM
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18. Good ol' Georgie one note
He really is starting to sound like a broken record, war, tax cuts, war, tax cuts, war, tax cuts, more war, more tax cuts...



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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:57 PM
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20. He's just keeping the word "terrorist" out there to fool the Sheeple
And some of the them respond with "Good. He should say the same to Egypt?". We don't need any more macho empty rhetoric to mess up the planet. Bush's behavior is completely unacceptable and he is the primo number one terrorist on the planet at present.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:25 PM
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22. We present the monthly wiggling of the Pretzel-dential Pee-Pee...
"AY! Look at ME! I'm shakin' muh DICK atchu! Now you jest better stop helpin' them terra-ists....Aerial sed so!"
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:32 PM
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23. more beligerant threats form the Turd Reich
i get really sick of Heir Bush goose stepping around pissing of the arabs. can he spell 'diplomat'?
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:56 PM
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24. Has it Occurred to Anyone that
Edited on Mon Jul-21-03 11:03 PM by Wonder
Iran might feel Israel is a threat to their security.

here are some items I read recently an article from February 2002

It sounds like another game of chicken

snip
"If Israel attacks Iran, we will respond in a way no Israeli politician has ever dreamed about," warned Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani yesterday. Asked by al-Jazeera television if he was referring to nuclear weapons, Shamkhani gave a negative reply, but added that "time would tell" the nature of Iran's response.

Shamkhani said he wasn't worried about the possibility of an Israeli preemptive strike on the nuclear plant being built, with the aid of Russian experts, near the Persian Gulf port of Bushehr. Iranian media frequently warns that Israel would strike the plant in an attack similar to the 1981 air attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor in Osirak.

"Iran is not a small country like Iraq. Iran has a powerful artillery, a disciplined army, and skilled air defenses," Shamkhani said.

Military sources in Israel said that Shamkhani's interview proved, once again, that Iran's long-range missiles and its development of nuclear capabilities were not for self-defense purposes, but rather targeted at Israel's destruction. "The Iranians are no longer hiding behind false statements but are now stating the truth openly," one senior official said, quoted in Maariv.'

end snip: http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/security/articles/sec_0189.htm

opening paragraph states Iran's position: If Israel attacks we are ready seems the warning. It is clearly stated that Iran is prepared to retaliate in the event of an Israeli preemptive strike: "Iranian media frequently warns that Israel would strike the plant in an attack similar to the 1981 air attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor in Osirak." By the time you get down to the last paragraph in the snip it switches completely around from the Israeli perspective: it is the Iranian stance interpreted as an aggressive threat to Israel. I find that a kind of a strange interpretation based on the opening paragraphs in the above article.

Yes, we know this antagonistic relationship goes back in time, which includes the fact that Iran will not acknowledge Israel's existence. Yet I can not help wondering when I go through the history, that is what I know of it so far, on one level does Israel acknowledge the surrounding Arabs right to exist (or should I say exist equally)? It sometimes seems difficult to say.

Now we move to July 8th Iran makes it clear it can retaliate with a tested Shahab-3 ballistic missile with Israel well within its range. It seems the international community want Iran to sign the NPT and open itself up for inspection, yet what is the incentive?

Remember in 2002 Iran seemed concerned for an israeli premptive strike which now a year later one could argue they have prepared themselves to defend themselves from. These are arch-rivals with a history of Hostility. Why would Iran agree to sign the NPT if Israel is to remain exempt from signing it? http://www.inq7.net/wnw/2003/jul/08/wnw_1-1.htm

Below is a little snatch from Israel Shahak's book Open Secret's... You can read the chapter of the book on Israel vs Iran if you like, but I will just pull the very last sentence... for the purposes of this thread, in particular, in speaking of a consideration of going to war with Iran (and this was written in 1993) the last sentence reads: "Their ranks may include some relatively less-opinionated individuals, who have survived the negative selection process which usually occurs within groups sharing such ideologically-tight imageries. But such individuals can be assumed to prefer to keep their moderation to themselves, while hoping that Israel can reap some fringe benefits from any western provocation against Iran, even if it results in a protracted and inconclusive war."

end small snip

here is the chapter from Shahak's book: http://www.geocities.com/roundtable_texts/israelvsiran.html

And here is a little background on Dr.Israel Shahak, he is a dissident I believe.

small snip
This Warsaw-born concentration camp survivor, who until this year was a professor of chemistry at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has lived in Israel since its creation in 1948. His broad powers of observation are matched only by his ability to convey, in vivid, carefully crafted phrases and anecdotes, arresting and unforgettable pictures of the Israel society in which he lives. His monthly "Translations from the Hebrew Press," painstakingly selected to convey the essence of issues that now perplex a deeply polarized Israeli public, provide the most illuminating reading on contemporary Israel available to non-Hebrew speakers.

In preparing these insights, and presenting them on lecture tours in Europe and the United States, Shahak violates a basic canon of the Jewish diaspora: Don't discuss Jewish problems outside the Jewish community.

This does not deter Shahak, a self-motivated, human rights-obsessed 56-year-old academic turned prophet. He acknowledges no contradictions among his obligations as a loyal citizen of Israel, a good Jew, and a believer in universal human values. He brushes aside suggestions that Israeli authorities may someday devise a way to muzzle his candor.

"Israel is still a democracy for Jews," he explains impatiently The problem is that the civil liberties Israel so zealously protects for its Jewish citizens are not transferable to others. In seeking to change that, Israel Shahak has no doubt that he is serving the best interests of Israel, and that his way offers Israel's best hope to assume its self-appointed role as "a light unto the nations."

end snip

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0689/8906019.htm

There is a definite correlation between Israel's security concerns and this US PNAC strategy. One does seem more and more to go hand and hand with one another, with two very forceful right wing factions at the helm Anglo-Saxon christians and the RW Likud. There is no getting around it anymore.

Of everything I placed here this sticks out in my mind

while hoping that Israel can reap some fringe benefits from any western provocation against Iran, even if it results in a protracted and inconclusive war."

"Even if it results in a protracted and inconclusive war." It seems reasonable to me Israel could take that position. Haven't they been in an on and off state of war for the last half a century or so. One might say it is almost normal for them. Problem is it is not normal for America to be so over extended. At least not in a while we are certainly a bit older than the State of Israel as well.

Perhaps others more knowledgeable than I, from whichever perspective, can put it into more exact historic and critical perspective.



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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:58 PM
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25. Kick!
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