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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:02 PM
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Iraq is a 'disaster' admits Blair
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417121&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

Tony Blair admitted that British intervention in Iraq has been a disaster last night - sending shockwaves through Westminster.

In his frankest admission about the war to date, Mr Blair admitted that Western forces have been powerless to stop the descent into violence.

The Prime Minister stopped short of accepting the blame for plunging Iraq to the brink of civil war - blaming instead the insurgent uprising that has killed 125 British troops.

But his admission in an interview with the Arab new channel Al Jazeera will be seen as an historic climbdown for Mr Blair, who has always fought to put a positive gloss on often disastrous events.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:03 PM
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1. No shit Sherlock
When did Tony finally buy a clue?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:05 PM
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3. November 7th, 2006. n/t
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:54 PM
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8. First thing that came to my mind too. No shit , Sherlock!
Then again, he is light-years ahead of "last throes" Cheney.
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:04 PM
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2. It's okay to say it when you're not up for re-election
Isn't it, poodle?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 08:29 PM
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35. The Poodle sure listened to his masters voice
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:02 PM
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36. He feels it's OK to say it because of November 7th
Divided government means a loosening of the White House's leash on Tony Blair.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:06 PM
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4. Maybe
Tony should enlighten the decider.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:06 PM
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5. and now BushCo stand alone in the 'good news from Iraq' biz
still, I doubt they're noble enough to admit their abject failure.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:13 PM
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6. Shhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't tell Cheney.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:18 PM
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7. Shock-waves through Westminster? Eh? Are they asleep?
The Prime Minister stopped short of accepting the blame for plunging Iraq to the brink of civil war - blaming instead the insurgent uprising that has killed 125 British troops.

Atavistic, assholic, dildonic .. all describe Bu$h and Blair. These men's reputations are totally and irrevocably shredded.


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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:57 PM
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9. Policy failed Stupidity reigned
All the Bombs in the world can't stop it...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:00 PM
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10. Yes, and it's on your head Tony. See you at the Hague.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:53 PM
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27. O How Much I Pray To See The Day Poodle Will Be Sentenced
For All His War Crimes And His Crimes Against Humanity There.

(Downing Street Memo + other documents)
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 03:23 PM
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29. Blair will have to wait in line to be sentanced behind:


1. George W(aste of protein) Bush

2. Richard (Greed is good) Cheney

3 Cindasleezy Rice

4. Wolfowitz

5. Perle

6. Rumsfailed


I'll give Blair a bit of slack because IMHO he was an enabler, not a prinsipal in these crimes.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 05:43 PM
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30. Conspiring to commit a war crime and committing crimes against
Humanity are all equally punishable offenses.

I also pray to see the day the ** cabal will be sentenced there, and I don't care which of these creepy criminals will get the verdict they so obviously deserve, as long as I'll live long enough to witness the day the words Justice, Accountability, and Fair Punishment regain their true meanings.

If bLiar has to be first in line to get what he deserved, so be it. It might even be easier to frogmarch the rest of 'em, 'Helliburton Carlyle' neoCON$, there, soon after. :party:
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:13 PM
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11. It's a disaster. We can't stop things from getting worse. We're in for the next generation.
And it's all the extermists' fault.

Are your sure that boneheaded idea of "liberating" Iraq
isn't part of the problem, Tony?

K & R
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:20 PM
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12. About time he admitted it
I am not gifted with precognition but I see more confessions in Mr. Blair's future...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:22 PM
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13. UK minister says Iraq was Blair's 'mistake'
1.00pm Saturday November 18, 2006


LONDON - A British government minister was quoted today as saying the Iraq war was UK Prime Minister Tony Blair's "big mistake in foreign affairs", in a potential new embarrassment for the Labour government.

Margaret Hodge, minister for industry, also accused Blair of "moral imperialism" -- trying to impose British values and ideas on other countries, said The Islington Tribune, a north London local newspaper ...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10411387
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 03:32 AM
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14. The actual sound clip of the conversation
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 03:38 AM by edwardlindy
may be found here : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6160466.stm see - Tony Blair's remark to Sir David Frost.

Quoting our Daily Mail aka The Daily Lie is the equivalent of quoting a Fux News item as being perfectly truthful as opposed to distorted/invented.

I'm certainly not defending Blair - only that The Lie has misrepresented the context of the answer to Frost's question, to change it's meaning, by ignoring the fact that Blur answered the actual question by simply saying "It has" and then continued on to make a statement.

Here's the Al Jazeera link : http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/02A2FBB1-F9B3-4BD1-94BB-31B631CE6267.htm

edit - link had been changed by Al Jazeera
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 04:03 AM
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15. Well, if it's any comfort...
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:43 AM
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19. WTF?
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 10:10 AM by Felinity
From The Guardian:

"Mr Blair said: 'It has , but you see, what I say to people is, 'why is it difficult in Iraq?' It's not difficult because of some accident in planning, it's difficult because there's a deliberate strategy - al-Qaida with Sunni insurgents on one hand, Iranian-backed elements with Shia militias on the other - to create a situation in which the will of the majority for peace is displaced by the will of the minority for war.'"

Finally, I feel better about the whole dang Iraq "disaster". We did nothing wrong, our planning was impeccable; it's the insurgents, stupid.

Somebody send this guy a brain cell or two.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 07:41 PM
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34. Brainless Because He's Souless
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 07:41 PM by stepnw1f
Better yet, a sociopath with a low IQ.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:10 AM
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38. God, I LOVE the irony of this remark -
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 08:11 AM by calimary
From The Guardian:

"Mr Blair said: 'It has , but you see, what I say to people is, 'why is it difficult in Iraq?' It's not difficult because of some accident in planning, it's difficult because there's a deliberate strategy - al-Qaida with Sunni insurgents on one hand, Iranian-backed elements with Shia militias on the other - to create a situation in which the will of the majority for peace is displaced by the will of the minority for war.'"

How's that again?

"...to create a situation in which the will of the majority for peace is displaced by the will of the minority for war.'"

Which "will of the minority for war" are you talking about, tony? YOUR will and the rest of your war-hungry chickenhawk friends (like georgie-baby)? Against a growing majority of Brits, Americans, and citizens of the rest of the PLANET who don't WANT this fucking war - and didn't - FROM THE BEGINNING??? THAT "majority for peace" - "displaced by the will of the minority for war"???

(the Truthout link, here, too: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/111806A.shtml )
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:48 PM
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41. I hadn't even thought of that.
Great point.

I was just stuck in a infinite loop on the use of the word strategy. Whose strategy would that be to pit the Sunni's and Al Qaida against the Shia & Iranian interlopers? What Power would be in a position to design and execute a program for war? Britain? The US? Who else is in the position to do so? Al Qaida? It sounds like they are pawns in this "strategy." Could it be . . .



SATAN?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 04:40 AM
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16. Downing St denies that he meant it
According to the BBC news site:

'Downing Street insisted it was not Mr Blair's view that the violence in Iraq had been a disaster.

A spokeswoman said: "He was simply acknowledging the question in a polite way before going on to explain his view.

"To portray it as some kind of admission is completely disingenuous."'


An intellectually and morally dishonest spinner to the end. Fortunately he'll be gone soon; and he has now endorsed Gordon Brown as his successor, so that it's unlikely that we'll be getting anyone worse, aka John Reid. Brown will probably be better than Blair; but it's not clear how much better.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:09 AM
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17. Blair: "Iraq would be fine if it wasn't for those Iraqis"
which isn't exactly a useful thing to say, nor is it an excuse for invading it. "If only they had looked on us as liberators rather than occupiers, it would have worked fine!"
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:50 AM
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20. Ummm..."DISINGENUOUS"??!
Sir David Frost; "so far been pretty much of a disaster"

Tony the bLiar; "IT HAS"

A spokeswoman said: "He was simply acknowledging the question in a polite way before going on to explain his view.

"To portray it as some kind of admission is completely disingenuous."'

agreeing is NOT agreeing, so stop saying it is!

:rofl:
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 07:41 AM
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37. It appears that Blair has done something most uncharacteristic
He's had a wee gaffe! Quite unusual when you consider his track record really.

Mind you, Iraq has indeed been a disaster so it's not that much of a gaffe if you ask me. The real clanger was when we invaded in the first place.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:23 AM
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18. Iraq is a disaster since we invaded but it is their fault......
Yep that's the ticket, it could not possibly be our fault because all we want is their oil.....If they just let us have all their oil and riches we could all just be happy.. But nooooooo they have to go and get all snarly about it so it is most definitely their fault...:crazy: And Bush* ,,,don't he look manly in them tight jeans he sometimes wears????
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:08 AM
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21. Welcome to the REAL world, Neo.
Comes the dawn for Poodle Boy. Too little too late, but who ya gonna call? :shrug:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:39 PM
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23. Doofbusters.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:10 AM
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22. He's just as guilty as the Dope in the WH.......
He played poodle to the idiot Bush and now he thinks people will forget that? I dont' think so. Blood is on your hands Blair.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:43 PM
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24. keep going Blair.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:49 PM
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25. Too little too late. You fucking broke it and this is all you can say?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:51 PM
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26. Woof! Woof! Did Lappiedog just bite his Master?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 03:14 PM
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28. Son-of-a-Bitch!!! Who in the hell do these people
think they are??? When your "leaders" are the last ones to acknowledge a catastrophe YOU have a big problem.

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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 07:02 PM
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31.  Iraq war was a disaster, admits Blair
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Finally_Blair_admits_invasion_of_Iraq_was_a_disaster/articleshow/470258.cms

LONDON: Tony Blair has finally conceded the three-year-old invasion of Iraq has been a "disaster", in the British prime minister frankest admission yet that the US-led, UK-backed military operation is mired in the quicksand of poor planning, massive overstretch and failed objectives.

Though Blair did not himself use the word "disaster", he quickly agreed it was one, when asked the question by Sir David Frost, the languid British frontman of the brand new broadcaster, Al Jazeera English.

Al Jazeera English, which began broadcasting its unique mix of alternative news and views on November 15 has long trailed its inaugural interview with Blair as a "coup".

Observers said the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera, which has long been accused of a decidedly anti-American agenda, had delivered a veritable trump card for critics of the Iraq war...
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 07:02 PM
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32. Calling Tony Snow. Calling Tony Snow. Blair in trouble. Needs a Toni.
Poor Tony Blair. He's a kind of sensitive liberal two faced fascist
hypocritical murdering pseudo pacifist schmuck.
Sometimes juggling the lies and the reality just makes you say
crazy things.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 07:02 PM
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33. Tony's people are denying he could've meant anything like 'disaster'
Just mentioning so people are aware of the latest propaganda. It's ridiculous, but ridiculous is the new normal.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:14 AM
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39. it's a post-11/7 world and you can't have a pre 11/7 mentality. everything changed on 11/7.
welcome to reality, tony. thank foley and abramoff.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:40 PM
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40. Why is it that most of us had this figured out BEFORE the invasion?
I was a registered Republican when I figured it out, although I hadn't really been a Republican for years (just hadn't figured it out, yet). Anyone who really thought about it knew that civil war was greatest probability after the invasion. *shakes head*
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