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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:48 PM
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Bush Reaction to Report Worries Father's Aides
Bush Reaction to Report Worries Father's Aides
By Kenneth T. Walsh
Fri Dec 8, 9:42 AM ET

Former White House advisers to George H.W. Bush are keenly disappointed and concerned about the current President Bush's initial reaction to the report by the Iraq Study Group.

They consider him rather dismissive of the group's conclusions, issued yesterday, which include the view that current Iraq policy is failing. The group recommends a variety of important changes, such as assigning U.S. troops to play more of an advisory and training role and less of a combat role. The ISG also recommends that the United States withdraw most of its combat brigades by early 2008 and that the administration increase diplomatic efforts, including starting talks with Iran and Syria and energetically working toward an Israeli-Palestinian solution.

Adding to the unease were President Bush's comments at his Thursday news conference with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, in which he avoided commenting on specifics in the ISG report.

"We have a classic case of circling the wagons," says a former adviser to Bush the elder. "If President Bush changes his policy in Iraq in a fundamental way, it undermines the whole premise of his presidency. I just don't believe he will ever do that."

White House advisers say Bush won't react in detail to the ISG report for several weeks, while he assesses it and awaits various internal government reports on the situation from his own advisers. Bush tells aides he doesn't want to "outsource" his role as commander in chief. Some Bush allies say this is a way to buy some time as the president tries to decide how to deal with rising pressure to alter his strategy in Iraq and hopes the critical media focus on the Iraq war will soften.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20061208/ts_usnews/bushreactiontoreportworriesfathersaides



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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:53 PM
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1. "Bush tells aides he doesn't want to "outsource" his role"
What the hell? I thought the Repubs love to outsource?

He's got to get with the program.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:53 PM
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2. Yeah, well 70% or so of the public
has been keenly disappointed and concerned for a long time now so they are pretty late to this issue.

That they really expected him to embrace this report says it all.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:58 PM
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3. shrub just wants to wait it out until the end of Kerry's term, then pass
the buck and retire with his fishes and chiggers at the Waco pig farm.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:46 AM
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26. The pig farm is a Hollywood set. It will be sold before he is out of the White House
He doesn't really give a rat's ass about the pig farm, it's just for appearance and to have a place they totally control to hold illegal discusssions and meetings.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:12 PM
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29. He'll probably retire to a gated community. eom
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:57 AM
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40. in a country with no extradition. nt
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 12:59 PM
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4. Bush hopes the critical media focus on Iraq
will SOFTEN!

Now is the time for those of good heart to come to the aid of their country. Blast the media. Let them know this is the issue. The Iraq war affects every aspect of our lives in that it is helping to bankrupt our country.

Contact the media and don't let them soften --- or we really will have NO CHILD LEFT A DIME
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:51 PM
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9. Absolutely. Remember this, 'cause it's damned important:
Edited on Fri Dec-08-06 01:52 PM by calimary
"If they think you don't care, THEY WON'T, EITHER!!!"

Wanna be blown off? Don't say anything. Don't bother those busy people in Washington. Don't get in their way. Go about your business like the good little boy or girl you are, and don't make waves. Don't kick up a fuss. Know your place. Don't start trying to rattle any cages with the media. Leave them alone (my, aren't they busy enough without you working up a snit?). Stay under the radar and be nice, and that way you won't get noticed.

I'd rather be a loud, nagging, unruly, hard-to-ignore BITCH, myself.

Squeaky wheels, folks. The nice quiet calm ones don't get any attention.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:00 PM
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5. As I have said before, Poppy Bush has his people, and Baby Bush has his people
They do not see eye to eye.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:12 PM
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39. Well, I do see them being united in the first term, yet due to failure in Iraq,
the tide began to shift from profitable incentives to sheer mad insanity.

Poppy's team has their limitations. Baby Bush is truely incapable of reason.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:00 PM
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6. While he waits thousands will die.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:48 PM
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11. Amen. See, it's all about "me and my legacy." As usual *
leaves his messes for the next person to clean up.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:11 PM
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16. That's the tragedy
As Paul Krugman asked, "How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a bully's ego?" By delaying action, Bush is willing to condemn many others to death. That is the kind of man we have no in charge of our country, and it's humiliating.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:05 PM
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7. The king never had any clothes!
Impeach W, an example to future pols has to be set.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:22 PM
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8. Time for R-'leaders' to pay a little visit to the WH.
Nixon style. Have a little tete-a-tete with the decider-in-thief. Then we can clean up the stench he has left.

I can dream, can't I?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:28 AM
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25. And if the R-"leaders" don't have any success, maybe its time for the D-Leaders to have a lil' visit
to the White House.

I don't think either one of us are dreaming...I think we are realists and the idiot boy king is in self-destruct mode (and taking the country with him).

Time for some real leadership to step in....lets see if they are up to the challenge... :patriot:
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:37 PM
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10. Okay, the betting window is now open.....
When will W's approval rating drop into the 20's?

Personally, I thought he was going to grab onto the ISG findings like a liferaft, whether or not he actually got around to implementing them. Now, I think his personal stubbornness and the criticism of the RW will lead him to push away ALL of their recommendations (on the basis of "waiting to hear and consider ALL opinions"), and it'll be back to business as usual.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:58 AM
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18. Isn't it there now?
Saw on another thread earlier today that he's at 27%...
and that was BEFORE the ISG released their report.
:popcorn:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 03:18 PM
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12. Didn't Snow say they "needed time to parse". &#@2*@##
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:32 AM
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22. yup - he used the word Parse several times. PARSE!
to divide content in order to determine meaning?
to resolve various parts into basic elements, in order to better comprehend the statement?
to analyze gramatically?

Amazing. How can you parse "Contrary to public statements by the administration, Iraq's level of violence is far worse and becoming untenable"

other than to say, Boy George, you really blew it. Now get off that high horse, sober up and let the pros take over. Again.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:16 PM
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31. I'm sure the Chainsaw Massacre guy can do a better job of parsing
them to pieces.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 03:19 PM
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13. Pardon me, but . . .
WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN???

Stupidhead has not exactly made his life or his career out of listening to anything he doesn't like. Telling him that he fucked up and has to clean up his mess isn't the way he's ever conducted himself, and thanks to Daddy and Daddy's millions, he's never had to. Now at long last, nearly at the very end of things, they're finally disappointed and concerned about Stupidhead's spoiled brat behavior?

There is an awful lot of money that's gone missing from the Treasury in the last six years, and an awful lot of graves that have been filled up during the same time period because of Stupidhead's stubbornness. Why didn't it disappoint or concern any of these fuckers until now?
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:09 AM
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23. I can't help but wonder...
.. if this was the DictatorTot's last chance to get on board with doing something constructive.

Poppy has the power and the means to do it himself, and I think that is where we are heading.
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diamidue Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 05:28 PM
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35. And I distinctly remember Baker campaigning for Bush, jr.
before the 2000 election. These same guys who helped junior get elected, are shocked ~ SHOCKED ~ that he is a pigheaded mule NOW? Well, they are just as much to blame as GWB.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 06:48 PM
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14. I'd say its a foregone conclusion that you don't get very good results when you
try to raise a kid when he's already 60 years old. Too late for the old man, but not too late for us. I hope.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:29 PM
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15. If he doesn't want to move forward, make progress on the ground,
change the course, or in any way indicate that he realizes that he is destroying our country and is going to have to outsource his job to someone who can actually buy him a vowel to go with that W, then let's IMPEACH HIS ASS.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:51 AM
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17. Yes, AND don't forget to impeach Darth Cheneyous too, 'cuz
that's where the dark side is really hiding.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 02:11 AM
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19. So even Dimson knows outsourcing is bad for America
and yet his Repig party embrace it as a way to save American capitalism. No wonder we are fucked in Iraq and at home. Really a tragedy if you think about it. 6 years of this bullshit. Sad.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 05:13 AM
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20. doubts dispelled?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 06:05 AM
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21. I wonder if the "adults" are planning to frogmarch him out of office--
--like Repubs did with Nixon.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:37 PM
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33. So we may hope. n.t
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 07:03 PM
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36. The Oval Intervention
read Maureen Dowd's column today. Hilarious. (Woof!)
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 09:26 AM
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24. AFP: Bush rejects Iraq report's key proposals, unveils Mideast initiative
Bush rejects Iraq report's key proposals, unveils Mideast initiative


by Olivier Knox
Thu Dec 7, 11:49 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush rebuffed key recommendations
from the Iraq Study Group but announced a new Middle East peace push after talks
with British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

A day after receiving the heavyweight US commission's report on Iraq, Bush said that
Blair would soon travel to the region for talks with Israel and the Palestinians, and
promised "concerted efforts to advance the cause of peace."

-snip-

Bush, giving a cool reception to two key proposals by the Iraq Study Group, kept tight
conditions on any talks with Iran and Syria and refused to endorse the panel's call
for withdrawing most US combat troops by early 2008.

"I've always said we'd like our troops out as fast as possible," he said, while insisting
on the need to be "flexible and realistic" and tying any change in troop level to advice
from US military commanders, as he has in the past.

-snip-

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061208/wl_mideast_afp/usbritainiraqpolitics_061207231519

Except for some diplomatic talk, Bush intends to stay the course in Iraq and
continue to "spread freedom" in the Middle East.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:56 PM
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28. The flip side of Bush staying the course in Iraq
is that millions of people in Latin America and elsewhere don't have to fear American bombs or death squads being used to derail their rejection of neoliberalism and imperialism.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 12:22 PM
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27. They created the freak bushenstein. His reaction was quite predictable. n/t
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:15 PM
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30. Shows how much of an idiot the daddy is too!!
What is the boy's history?
Failure in school.
Drug user and failure in National Guard.
Failure and crook in business.
Total freaked up delinquent after 18 after 21 even til age 40. (Supposedly only til 40) I'm sure daddy dickhead bush knows he was freaked up delinquent after 40.
Total wacked out sense of humor.

Daddy knew all this and more yet he is disappointed?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:18 PM
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32. Clearly daddy didn't expect an intelligent response from Junior, after all
these years of disappointment he should know better.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 05:09 PM
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34. "rather dismissive"?
He's all but told the ISG, and by extension, his Dad and dad's advisers, and by further extension, the American people, to all Go Cheney Themselves.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:00 PM
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37. "Jim Baker should go back to his day job"
That statement by Shrub pretty well summarizes what he thinks of the study group, its findings, and all of Daddy's friends.

In other words, you're right. It's "Go Cheney Yourselves"
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:29 PM
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38. The Decider strikes again.
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