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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:46 PM
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Breaking CNN: Pinochet dead
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 01:02 PM by Flaxbee
no link yet... please feel free to add link whenever it first comes up...

Just announced by Wolf Blitzer 12:45pm EST Sunday 12/10/06

EDIT: link: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-12-10T175421Z_01_N10462307_RTRUKOC_0_US-CHILE-PINOCHET.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:48 PM
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1. Breaking Pinochet has died
will find a link
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:48 PM
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2. he never did serve time for his crimes, did he?
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:51 PM
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5. He's probably whooping it up on an island somewhere with Ken
Lay. Bastards.

Why do men like this NEVER pay for their crimes. I don't think we are going to see Bush and his gang of thugs pay either. They'll just fade off into the sunset, or Paraguay or something.
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David in Canada Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:01 PM
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13. He was 91...
People DON'T live forever. He was in poor health for a long, long time.

I don't get the Ken Lay conspiracy... People DO die of heart attacks. It happens everyday!
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:05 PM
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oh, I imagine that Pinochet is, in fact, dead.
He should have died in prison.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:38 PM
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72. My statement was kind of tongue-in-cheek, I was just riffing on the
fact that so many evil men seem to escape justice, even if it is through death - natural or not.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:52 PM
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81. Was it really a long, long, long, long, long
time of torturous vomiting, excruciating body pain and uncontrollable migraines? Cuz he deserved that.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:31 PM
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83. yeah but most have a body.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:39 PM
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41. Doubt it...
He was 91 and in poor health, and even dictators aren't immortal.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:48 PM
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3. very fast!
he is dead...waiting for story.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:55 PM
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9. here's a link, please add to your OP
:hi:

Chile's Pinochet dead - television
Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:48pm ET

SANTIAGO, Chile (Reuters) - Ex-dictator Augusto Pinochet, who ruled Chile from 1973-1990 and spent his old age fighting human rights, fraud and corruption charges, died on Sunday a week after suffering a heart attack, Chilean television reported. He was 91.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-12-10T174826Z_01_N10462307_RTRUKOC_0_US-CHILE-PINOCHET.xml
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:02 PM
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14. thanks for the link, maddezmom!
:hi:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:50 PM
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4. He just couldn't carry on without Jeane Kirkpatrick
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:53 PM
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6. Hopefully
a few more of their 'friends' won't be far behind them. Anyone see Henry lately?

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:33 PM
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24. Even evil dictators depend on their immortal
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 01:36 PM by alfredo
flesh. Their only immortality being the lessons they leave for others. Those lesson can be a warning to the wise, or inspiration for the foolish.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:12 PM
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33. Ha ha ha ha ha
:spray:
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:44 PM
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43. Or Milton Friedman
Interestingly a DUer said the other day in a thread about Kirkpatrick's death that Pinochet will join her soon...although considering his poor health that's a pretty easy prediction to make.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 03:22 PM
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48. Jeane Kirkpatrick, the woman who ate Nicaragua for lunch
Another asshole bites the dust.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:39 PM
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64. She creeps me out.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:54 PM
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7. Fascist criminal never held accountible.
Protected right to the end by his gringo co-conspirators. Kissinger belongs in jail for this alone.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:54 PM
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8. And like Hitler & Goering he cheated justice.
Maybe we can send Kissinger down to Chile to take his place.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:58 PM
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10. So long, scumbag!
Keep a spot in hell warm for your old pal Henry.

I notice CNN isn't sugar-coating the fact that Kissinger was behind the coup
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:22 PM
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62. Thanks for the news. It should be worth turning on the tv just to hear that!
They've been so right-wing for so long, it didn't seem likely they'd ever admit a simple truth like that one.
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sg_ Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:59 PM
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11. some person talking on sky news calling him...
a "great patriot" :crazy:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:42 AM
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96. And THOSE are the people who chastise lefties for being sympathetic to Fidel Castro.
Fuck them all.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:00 PM
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12. How interesting to find this AP article published earlier today!
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 01:00 PM by Judi Lynn
Pinochet shows signs of recovery

Sunday, December 10, 2006 (Santiago):

The family of General Augusto Pinochet said on Saturday that the former dictator showed signs of further recovery but was still in intensive care.

Pinochet's daughter, Lucia, said after visiting her father at Santiago's Military Hospital, that she expected him to remain in hospital for five to seven more days.

The former Chilean leader has been in hospital since he suffered a heart attack on December 3.

Pinochet's son, Antonio, said he was confident his father would be home for Christmas.

"He is recovering, he is feeling a little bit better, he is tired. His recovery is going to take some time. I think the doctors will determine when he can return home but clearly he will continue to be monitored", he added.
(snip/...)

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Pinochet+shows+signs+of+recovery&id=97679

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Yep, he has probably joined Ken Lay at the Bush family's huge property in Paraguay, home also to Rev. Sung Myung Moon, and previous home to murderous right-wing U.S.-favored dictator Stroessner, AND his lovely foreign friend, Dr. Mengele.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:04 PM
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15. Will we see Kissinger
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 01:14 PM by seemslikeadream
on the TV crying now :cry:
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:49 PM
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27. It's certainly possible


It is a Sept. 16, 1973, chat between Kissinger and Nixon, discussing
the anti-Allende coup that occurred five days earlier.

The actual telephone transcript reads:

Nixon: "Well, we didn't -- as you know -- our hand doesn't show on this one though."

Kissinger: "We didn't do it. I mean we helped them. ________ created the
conditions as great as possible."


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:10 PM
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32. the line of strength that pulls me through
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 02:11 PM by seemslikeadream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J0yppewrvg&mode=related&search=



Thick cloud - steam rising - hissing stone on sweat lodge fire
Around me - buffalo robe - sage in bundle - run on skin
Outside - cold air - stand, wait for rising sun
Red paint - eagle feathers - coyote calling - it has begun
Something moving in - I taste it in my mouth and in my heart
It feels like dying - slow - letting go of life

Medicine man lead me up though town - Indian ground -
so far down
Cut up land - each house - a pool - kids wearing water
wings - drink in cool
Follow dry river bed - watch Scout and Guides make
pow-wow signs
Past Geronimo's disco - Sit 'n' Bull steakhouse - white
men dream
A rattle in the old man's sack - look at mountain top -
keep climbing up
Way above us the desert snow - white wind blow

I hold the line - the line of strength that pulls me through
the fear
San Jacinto - I hold the line
San Jacinto - the poison bite and darkness take my sight -
I hold the line
And the tears roll down my swollen cheek - think I'm losing
it - getting weaker
I hold the line - I hold the line
San Jacinto - yellow eagle flies down from the sun -
from the sun

We will walk - on the land
We will breathe - from the air
We will drink - from the stream
We will live - hold the line
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 07:41 AM
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98. Another one who should be brought to justice.
But we all know how likely that is don't we?
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:05 PM
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16. Good riddance to bad rubbish
He could outrun the law of men but not the law of karma.
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THX1138 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:07 PM
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17. So sad
that he didn't spend any time in prison for his crimes against humanity.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:49 AM
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94. If there's any consolation...
...it's that the bastard lived long enough to see "his" country once again led by a Socialist government.

All that blood for nothing, eh, Generalissimo?

:spank:

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David in Canada Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:08 PM
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18. So... How's Jorge Videla doing?
Another evil leader from the dirty war still trolling the Earth is probably the most brutal of all. Former Argentinian dictator Jorge Videla. Anyone know who HE is doing or the other surviving Argentinian junta leader, Reynaldo Bignone.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:32 PM
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63. I just looked up his name, almost wish I hadn't! What a legacy......
Friday, February 12, 1999 Published at 04:45 GMT

Argentina's missing babies

~snip~
Mothers killed in detention

Last year, Judge Roberto Marquevich stunned public opinion by ordering the arrest of former army chief Jorge Videla over the theft of babies, which had been excluded from the amnesty laws passed after the end of military rule.

The babies were treated like any household implement, Judge Roberto Marquevich told me. It appears that in some detention centres there were not only warehouses containing furniture, cars and other items robbed from the prisoners, but also lists of military couples waiting to adopt children.

Babies born to pretty, white-skinned mothers were particularly sought after. Blindfolded at all times, the women would be taken down to special cells, forced to have caesareans and then often killed.

When democracy returned to Argentina, some of the children were returned to their families by brave judges such as Roberto Marquevich.
(snip/...)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/269834.stm

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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:13 PM
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19. Hell just got more crowded...
n/t
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:13 PM
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20. A pity he didn't live to stand trial. nt
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:14 PM
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21. Population of hell += 1
I'm going to have a drink in celebration now.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:24 PM
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22. Good. n/t
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:27 PM
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23. Can Ariel Sharon be far behind?
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:35 PM
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25. Pinochet: dead, Kirkpatrick: dead, how's Kissinger feeling? n/t
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:37 PM
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26. General Augusto Pinochet is still dead...
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:00 PM
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28. Sic eventually tyrannis. (n/t)
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:01 PM
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29. Ding Dong, the witch is dead....
Good riddance, asshole.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:04 PM
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30. A shame
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 02:04 PM by Tarc
Shame he didn't rot and die in a cramped prison cell like many of his adversaries, that is.

Pinochet was a relic of a shameful past of American governments conspiring with thugs like him to overthrow elected leaders. Must've been tough for him lately to see all the leftists once again coming to power in, again, democratic elections. No Operation Condors to insert his kind into office again.
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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:04 PM
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31. Proof that only the good die young n/t
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:13 PM
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34. Pinochet dead, Kirkpatrick dead, Milton Friedman dead...
...So should we start a Kissinger Dead Pool here at DU to guess when these three will finally get a fourth to play bridge with?
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Emops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:14 PM
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61. Margaret Thatcher must be getting nervous too...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:39 PM
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65. Maggie actually said that she is 'saddened' by his death
She did pick her pals!
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:09 PM
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77. Good one !
Another dead Thug!

Give a common thug power and this is what they turn into.

Good Riddance to the Arrogant Shit!!

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:14 PM
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35. Fat lady singin'?
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 02:16 PM by emad
Don't cry for me Argentina
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my promise
Don't keep your distance....




EDIT: BBC coverage:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6167237.stm
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:19 PM
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36. It's a real pity he didn't die in jail
Good riddance to the motherfucker.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:22 PM
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37.  THEY DANCE ALONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA_X_gzhWfw

THEY DANCE ALONE



Why are there women here dancing on their own?
Why is there this sadness in their eyes?
Why are the soldiers here
Their faces fixed like stone?
I can't see what it is that they dispise
They're dancing with the missing
They're dancing with the dead
They dance with the invisible ones
Their anguish is unsaid
They're dancing with their fathers
They're dancing with their sons
They're dancing with their husbands
They dance alone They dance alone



It's the only form of protest they're allowed
I've seen their silent faces scream so loud
If they were to speak these words they'd go missing too
Another woman on a torture table what else can they do
They're dancing with the missing
They're dancing with the dead
They dance with the invisible ones
Their anguish is unsaid
They're dancing with their fathers
They're dancing with their sons
They're dancing with their husbands
They dance alone They dance alone



One day we'll dance on their graves
One day we'll sing our freedom
One day we'll laugh in our joy
And we'll dance
One day we'll dance on their graves
One day we'll sing our freedom
One day we'll laugh in our joy
And we'll dance



Ellas danzan con los desaparecidos
Ellas danzan con los muertos
Ellas danzan con amores invisibles
Ellas danzan con silenciosa angustia
Danzan con sus pardres
Danzan con sus hijos
Danzan con sus esposos
Ellas danzan solas
Danzan solas



Hey Mr. Pinochet
You've sown a bitter crop
It's foreign money that supports you
One day the money's going to stop
No wages for your torturers
No budget for your guns



Can you think of your own mother
Dancin' with her invisible son
They're dancing with the missing
They're dancing with the dead
They dance with the invisible ones
They're anguish is unsaid
They're dancing with their fathers
They're dancing with their sons
They're dancing with their husbands
They dance alone


STING
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:36 PM
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38. More evidence that it's the good who die young.
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 02:38 PM by LeftishBrit
Bet some right-wing collaborators are very relieved at this news.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:36 PM
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39. TRANSLATION: Pinochet retires to Saudi villa with Ken Lay
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 04:56 PM
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56. now, i'd have guess Paraquay ...
seems there is a villain's retirement community in the works there.

dp
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:39 PM
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40. This would be a good time to apologize to Chile for backing Pinochet, and offer to piss on his grave
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:41 PM
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42. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Here's hoping people line up to piss on his grave.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:45 PM
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44. Couldn't have happened soon enough.
Why was he allowed to live as long as he did?
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:46 PM
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45. I'd like to hear what Isabel Allende has to say about this. n/t
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:48 PM
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46. Chilean News TVN.CL: Crowd of 3000 gathering at the Plaza Italia
2000 Police and Older women gathering at the hospital to plead that the flag be brought down to half mast. Bachelet so far silent (11:45am PDT)

La Tercera: Early poll says 55% of the people don't want state honors/burial for him...

The crowd of 3000 in the Plaza Italia are dancing Cueca and drinking Champagne.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 04:46 PM
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54. Today is Pinochet's wife's birthday...
Happy Birthday, Lucia!!

Now she and their kids will be tried and convicted for the embezzlement, fraud, and other charges that have been brought against them. They give new meaning to the phrase "The family that preys together."

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:54 PM
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67. Happy Birthday to You!!! Happy Birthday to You!!!
Happy brithday you worthless, poor excuse for a human beeeee...ing...Happy Birthday to you!!!
May you got to jail and rot in helllllll!
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:49 PM
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47. So are Victor Jara and Salvador Allende...
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 03:37 PM
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50. Victor Jara came to my mind when I read the news today
All those souls lost in that soccer stadium, Victor among them, thanks to that piece of filth.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 04:43 PM
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53. Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi... US citizens
tortured and shot in the stadium and then the US covered it up.

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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 03:33 PM
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49. That's too bad
Like Milosevic, I would have liked to have seen Pinochet held responsible for his crimes rather than dying in prison un-convicted of anything, and waiting for an endlessly delayed trial...
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 04:24 PM
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51. Buh-bye to one more corrupted, evil POS.
:nopity:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 04:41 PM
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52. May his corpse rot and stink. (nt)
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 04:52 PM
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55. proof that the "freedom" of "libertarian" economists can only exist
when backed up by a regime that throws its opponents out of helicopters.
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 05:28 PM
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57. I'll really grieve for this man tonight...
:sarcasm:

So long you murderous bastard...

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rdmtimp Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 05:43 PM
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58. Memo to hell's gatekeeper...
Get another "all access" laminate ready.

:grr:
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 05:45 PM
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59. it's about damn time
I hope it was a very painful death.
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slj0101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 05:56 PM
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60. It's not nice to gloat about people's deaths.
But sometimes you have to make exceptions. Rot in hell, Gus.

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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:45 PM
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73. If there is justice in the afterlife
He would be forced to listen to the Music and Poems of Victor Jara for eternity. And also for justice that the Name of Victor Jara and the others who died in the reign of Pinochet live longer than the bastard!
Here is a wikipedia article on Victor Jara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%ADctor_Jara
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:51 PM
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66. HAHAHAHAHA!!! The f**k is dead
I'm sure scrub, elmer fudd and maggie are devastated.
As for me...I'm up for a little dancing...
a...one...and...a...two
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:20 PM
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68. I'm sure Thatcher is in mourning
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:33 PM
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71. Maybe she and Herr Doktor Kissinger will soon be joining him
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:31 PM
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69. The miserable bastard's body should be hung in chains
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:33 PM
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70. Good riddance! (popping open champagne bottle)
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 07:37 PM by IndianaGreen
I only regret he never faced justice while still alive.

I applaud those Chileans that are demonstrating in opposition to having the flags fly at half-staff for this monster.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:51 PM
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74. And another monster escapes justice.
It's a shame I don't believe in Hell.

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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:58 PM
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75. Here's hoping he's in the receding pond with Tantalus...
Or someplace even worse.
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:00 PM
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76. They'll be obliged to bury this fucker in an unmarked grave.
Otherwise the publicly known location of his final resting place will attract mountains of feces for generations.

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:12 PM
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78. that old torturer is preparing a place at the table for Jr. as we speak
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 08:14 PM by Az_lefty
good riddance...
:puke:
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:28 PM
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79. Somebody shit in his box before they bury it.
It's too bad there isn't a hell.

No wait, there is -- it's called Chile from 1973 to 1990! Some few of us neither receive nor deserve redemption or forgiveness. This man was one of these.
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ddbaj Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:32 PM
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80. He killed thousands...
Goodbye, evil fuck.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:16 PM
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82. people like him killed people like me
Left-leaning graduate students and academics who never owned a gun or threatened violence against his brutal state. They were taken away under cover of darkness, and never had a chance to defend themselves. Pinochet openly derided human rights as "an invention of the Communists", yet self-proclaimed defenders of freedom like Reagan and Thatcher praised him.


In memory of the disappeared.

http://www.memoriaviva.com/english.htm
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:38 PM
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84. Another mass murderer dies of old age
Cheney and Chimpy will likely live to be 100.

But that's okay, I'll still get to tap dance on their graves in my life time.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 10:51 PM
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85. I wonder what his buddies at Blackwater are thinkin'
a bunch of Pinochet's death squad got hired by our beloved right wing mercenaries and have been sent over to Iraq.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:43 AM
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86. Pinochet Dies
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 02:04 AM by raysr
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:43 AM
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87. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 02:05 AM by seriousstan
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:43 AM
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88. Warm a bench for Dick Cheney, pendejo.
I know you are in the seats reserved for the maldito hijos de putas.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:43 AM
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89. Bush will be in mourning for his role model. n/t
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:43 AM
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90. He dodged justice here on earth...
...but can't avoid the eternal variety.

Hot enough for you, Augusto? :grr:

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:43 AM
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91. Breaking news: Pinochet is still dead.
And I'm sure it was breaking news over 12 hours ago personally but, the thought counts, thank you.
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IntiRaymi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:44 AM
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92. GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:42 AM
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93. I guess I'll have to plan a trip to Chile...
...so I can piss on his grave.

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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:52 AM
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95. AFP: Violence marks Pinochet's passing, state funeral denied
Violence marks Pinochet's passing, state funeral denied

by Enrique Fernandez
1 hour, 26 minutes ago

SANTIAGO (AFP) - Riot police clashed with thousands of demonstrators in the midst
of celebrations after the death Sunday of former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet.

The body of the retired general lay at a humble military school chapel after the
left-wing government denied him a state funeral, and Pinochet's joyous detractors
flocked into the streets of the capital in a carnival-like atmosphere.

Police blasted water cannon and fired gas canisters into the crowd of thousands
of anti-Pinochet demonstrators advancing down the capital's main avenue, Alameda,
toward the presidential palace, La Moneda. Some demonstrators fired back with stones
and bottles.

Interior Ministry Under Secretary Felipe Harboe said police were forced to intervene
when hooded groups infiltrated a crowd of some 5,000 anti-Pinochet protesters who
until then had been demonstrating peacefully.

-snip-

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061211/ts_afp/chilepinochet_061211082136
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 07:36 AM
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97. He managed to escape justice, right to the end.
Nevertheless: good riddance asshole.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:01 AM
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99. NPR just did a report on him, the CIA involvement, etc with the
author of a book about Pinochet and those events. I hope the author manages to survive.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:08 PM
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100. Tinker Bell, Pinochet And The Fairy Tale Miracle Of Chile

(Todays email from MR. Palast one of the best in the business IMO)


by Greg Palast
Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, Armed Madhouse. (Signed copies available for the holidays at www.palastinvestigativefund.org

Sunday, Dec. 10, 2006
Chile’s former military dictator General Augusto Pinochet
died today at the age of 91.


Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother, Tinker Bell and General Augusto Pinochet had much in common.

All three performed magical good deeds. In the case of Pinochet, he was universally credited with the Miracle of Chile, the wildly successful experiment in free markets, privatization, de-regulation and union-free economic expansion whose laissez-faire seeds spread from Valparaiso to Virginia.

But Cinderella’s pumpkin did not really turn into a coach. The Miracle of Chile, too, was just another fairy tale. The claim that General Pinochet begat an economic powerhouse was one of those utterances whose truth rested entirely on its repetition.

Chile could boast some economic success. But that was the work of Salvador Allende - who saved his nation, miraculously, a decade after his death.

In 1973, the year General Pinochet brutally seized the government, Chile’s unemployment rate was 4.3%. In 1983, after ten years of free-market modernization, unemployment reached 22%. Real wages declined by 40% under military rule.

In 1970, 20% of Chile’s population lived in poverty. By 1990, the year “President” Pinochet left office, the number of destitute had doubled to 40%. Quite a miracle.

Pinochet did not destroy Chile’s economy all alone. It took nine years of hard work by the most brilliant minds in world academia, a gaggle of Milton Friedman’s trainees, the Chicago Boys. Under the spell of their theories, the General abolished the minimum wage, outlawed trade union bargaining rights, privatized the pension system, abolished all taxes on wealth and on business profits, slashed public employment, privatized 212 state industries and 66 banks and ran a fiscal surplus.

Freed of the dead hand of bureaucracy, taxes and union rules, the country took a giant leap forward … into bankruptcy and depression. After nine years of economics Chicago style, Chile’s industry keeled over and died. In 1982 and 1983, GDP dropped 19%. The free-market experiment was kaput, the test tubes shattered. Blood and glass littered the laboratory floor. Yet, with remarkable chutzpah, the mad scientists of Chicago declared success. In the US, President Ronald Reagan’s State Department issued a report concluding, “Chile is a casebook study in sound economic management.” Milton Friedman himself coined the phrase, “The Miracle of Chile.” Friedman’s sidekick, economist Art Laffer, preened that Pinochet’s Chile was, “a showcase of what supply-side economics can do.”

It certainly was. More exactly, Chile was a showcase of de-regulation gone berserk.

The Chicago Boys persuaded the junta that removing restrictions on the nation’s banks would free them to attract foreign capital to fund industrial expansion.

Pinochet sold off the state banks - at a 40% discount from book value - and they quickly fell into the hands of two conglomerate empires controlled by speculators Javier Vial and Manuel Cruzat. From their captive banks, Vial and Cruzat siphoned cash to buy up manufacturers - then leveraged these assets with loans from foreign investors panting to get their piece of the state giveaways.

The bank’s reserves filled with hollow securities from connected enterprises. Pinochet let the good times roll for the speculators. He was persuaded that Governments should not hinder the logic of the market.

By 1982, the pyramid finance game was up. The Vial and Cruzat “Grupos” defaulted. Industry shut down, private pensions were worthless, the currency swooned. Riots and strikes by a population too hungry and desperate to fear bullets forced Pinochet to reverse course. He booted his beloved Chicago experimentalists. Reluctantly, the General restored the minimum wage and unions’ collective bargaining rights. Pinochet, who had previously decimated government ranks, authorized a program to create 500,000 jobs. In other words, Chile was pulled from depression by dull old Keynesian remedies, all Franklin Roosevelt, zero Reagan/Thatcher. New Deal tactics rescued Chile from the Panic of 1983, but the nation’s long-term recovery and growth since then is the result of - cover the children’s ears - a large dose of socialism.

To save the nation’s pension system, Pinochet nationalized banks and industry on a scale unimagined by Communist Allende. The General expropriated at will, offering little or no compensation. While most of these businesses were eventually re-privatized, the state retained ownership of one industry: copper.

For nearly a century, copper has meant Chile and Chile copper. University of Montana metals expert Dr. Janet Finn notes, “Its absurd to describe a nation as a miracle of free enterprise when the engine of the economy remains in government hands.” Copper has provided 30% to 70% of the nation’s export earnings. This is the hard currency which has built today’s Chile, the proceeds from the mines seized from Anaconda and Kennecott in 1973 - Allende’s posthumous gift to his nation.

Agribusiness is the second locomotive of Chile’s economic growth. This also is a legacy of the Allende years. According to Professor Arturo Vasquez of Georgetown University, Washington DC, Allende’s land reform, the break-up of feudal estates (which Pinochet could not fully reverse), created a new class of productive tiller-owners, along with corporate and cooperative operators, who now bring in a stream of export earnings to rival copper. “In order to have an economic miracle,” says Dr. Vasquez, “maybe you need a socialist government first to commit agrarian reform.”

So there we have it. Keynes and Marx, not Friedman, saved Chile.

But the myth of the free-market Miracle persists because it serves a quasi-religious function. Within the faith of the Reaganauts and Thatcherites, Chile provides the necessary genesis fable, the ersatz Eden from which laissez-faire dogma sprang successful and shining.

In 1998, the international finance Gang of Four - the World Bank, the IMF, the Inter-American Development Bank and the International Bank for Settlements - offered a $41.5 billion line of credit to Brazil. But before the agencies handed the drowning nation a life preserver, they demanded Brazil commit to swallow the economic medicine that nearly killed Chile. You know the list: fire-sale privatizations, flexible labor markets (i.e. union demolition) and deficit reduction through savage cuts in government services and social security.

In Sao Paulo, the public was assured these cruel measures would ultimately benefit the average Brazilian. What looked like financial colonialism was sold as the cure-all tested in Chile with miraculous results.

But that miracle was in fact a hoax, a fraud, a fairy tale in which everyone did not live happily ever after.

******

Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, “Armed Madhouse”. Read his reports at www.GregPalast.com
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:31 PM
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101. Superior review of the impact Pinochet's Milton Friedman approach.
Absolutely wonderful.

This is what DU'ers will find useful the very next time another Freep Nazi shows up with the news Chile's economy is truly the Eighth Wonder of the World. (You may remember it took a day or two to get the smell outta here after the last pro-Pinochet freeper vacationed here at D.U. expense.)
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:15 PM
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103. Damn I miss all the fun
"(You may remember it took a day or two to get the smell outta here after the last pro-Pinochet freeper vacationed here at D.U. expense.)" Tombstoned no doubt :)

"Superior review" Yes Greg Palast is a stand out investigative Journalist imo.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:33 PM
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102. GENERALISSIMO FRANCISCO FRANCO IS STILL DEAD!!
"And now Weekend Update would like to present news for the hard of hearing."

"In tonight's top story..."

"IN TONIGHT'S TOP STORY..."

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arenean Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:38 AM
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104. Isabel Allende: Chile under the gun
Great article from The Independent:

<snip>....
To give an idea of what the military coup was like, you have to imagine how a citizen of the United States or Great Britain would feel if the army rolled up in full battle gear to attack the White House or Buckingham Palace, and in the process caused the deaths of thousands of citizens, among them the President of the US or the Queen and Prime Minister of Great Britain, then indefinitely suspended Congress or Parliament, disbanded the Supreme Court, abrogated individual liberties and political parties, declared absolute censorship of the media, and finally, over time, strove mercilessly to extinguish every dissident voice.

Now, imagine that these same military men, possessed with Messianic fanaticism, installed themselves in power for years, prepared to root out every last ideological adversary. That is what happened in Chile.
.....<snip>

Full article here.....


Isabel Allende: Chile under the gun
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