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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:12 PM
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US denies Virgin America access
US authorities today denied approval for a new low-cost airline called Virgin America to start operations, saying the carrier was "not under the actual control of US citizens".

The US Department of Transportation said Virgin America would have to revise its ownership, corporate structure and other agreements to be 75 per cent owned and controlled by US citizens before it could receive an operating certificate.

The agency said it was "tentatively denying'' the request for US certification, giving the group the opportunity to appeal.

The upstart low-cost airline said has been licensed to use the Virgin brand by Britain's Virgin Group, but maintained that it is independent from the companies headed by Richard Branson who founded Virgin Atlantic, and a host of other Virgin-branded firms.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20981324-1702,00.html
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:19 PM
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1. umm, how many airlines fly into the US that are NOT american-controlled? lufthansa, KLM, etc? what
in the HELL is the big deal here?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:23 PM
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2. they fly in and out, but don't "operate" (have a hub in) the US
I think that's the distinction, although I agree with you that it seems pretty stupid.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:28 PM
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3. I didn't see anything about a "hub" operation--did I miss something?
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:56 PM
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10. Virgin America will be a domestic service
with flights inbetween US cities, as opposed to KLM, Lufthansa, or Virgin Atlantic, which fly exclusively from the US to other countries. International carriers are not allowed to fly domestically. That's why you'll never see an Air India fare from NY to LA, even though they may stop in both cities. The US carriers are scared s*itless of other carriers like Ryanair coming in and doing point-to-point flights for $25.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 08:33 PM
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12. They are applying to be a US carrier...
And with that comes ownership and other rules
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 06:32 AM
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16. they don't do point to point
within CONUS...perhaps you should educate yourself before you go off half-cocked
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Amused Musings Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:28 PM
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4. Maybe I am wrong but
is the real reason this is happening because US airlines operate as a cartel and have a strong lobby (hence why they were bailed out frequently?)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:33 PM
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5. As soon as American and United can do the same in Europe
Virgin can do so here.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:55 PM
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9. UAL quit Europe,
United Airlines flew short-haul in Europe well into the 1990's, Delta, TWA and Pan Am also had intra-European route rights.

But that is beside the point because Virgin America is a US airline.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:40 PM
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6. But it's okay to outsource our port security.
Um, okay. :crazy:
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:50 PM
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7. I thought the current administration...
... supported virginity. :)

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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 03:50 PM
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8. This is an AMERICAN controlled airline,
Richard Branson might as well be Tony the Tiger, It is high time some more of the worthless US legacy airlines be allowed to fry.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 05:04 PM
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11. Maybe they could fly into US ports that are not controlled by US citizens either. nt
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 09:05 PM
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13. Funny... this doesn't seem to be a requirement for corporations of other sorts n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-27-06 09:06 PM
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14. "not under the actual control of US citizens"
Sort of like The White House?
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 06:31 AM
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15. Seems fair enough
1) When Virgin America is structured in accordance with the law, they can operate in the US

2) When foreign countries change their laws to allow US carriers to operate in their countries then US carriers will do so...
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 07:43 AM
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17. Maybe Branson didn't issue the proper kickbacks and backroom deals.
.
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 08:23 AM
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18. There's not enough money to do that
He'd have to buy off every government in the world
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 08:28 AM
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19. How is this any different than a foreign corporation operating our ports?
If you seem to recall the Dubai ports deal, they were bargaining to operate domestic ports by means of foreign ownership.

What gives? :shrug:
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