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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:54 PM
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BBC: The first cracks
THE first rift among BBC bosses over the David Kelly tragedy appeared last night.

At least two of the 11 governors called for an emergency meeting to discuss the crisis engulfing the Corporation.

One wanted the summit to review the board?s position on Defence Ministry weapons expert and BBC mole Dr Kelly following the respected scientist?s suicide. ..

A third governor voiced ?grave misgivings? over the BBC?s revelations that Dr Kelly was the sole source for Mr Gilligan?s claims.

The board had said earlier that journalists could rely on single sources only in exceptional circumstances ? for example when based on ?senior intelligence sources?.

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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:56 PM
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1. WHAT am I missing????

Why does Kelly's death create a crisis at the BBC???

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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:59 PM
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2. Tony's henchmen are blaming the BBC for Kelly's death, big time.
None of these people seem to have a mirror.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:05 PM
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3. it gets worst now the blame is
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:13 PM
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5. In the end
the BBC will prove to provide the best reporting on itself.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:12 PM
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13. Wrong. The Guardian will. And the Guardian is criticizing BBC
over Kelly matter.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:07 PM
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4. The Sun
Is a rag and a joke.

These are the same people who ran "WMD: THE PROOF" as a front page when some "ricin" was found in Iraq.
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:29 PM
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9. Was it ricin?
Or just Castor beans used to make Industrial oil for a brake fluid plant, where it was found.
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realityboy Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:32 PM
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11. Line in the Sun editorial
"the BBC is now in the gutter."

The old pot and kettle line just isnt enough in this case.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:13 PM
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6. The Sun is arguably one of the least credible periodicals in Britain
Edited on Mon Jul-21-03 09:20 PM by w4rma
The Sun is the flagship publication of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation in Britain. It specialises in sleaze, bare breasts, celebrity scandals, attacks on welfare recipients, asylum-seekers and encouraging every possible variety of jingoism.
...
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/murd-f20.shtml
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:19 PM
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16. Murdoch has his own agenda. Wants to end government subsidy
Edited on Tue Jul-22-03 09:46 PM by AP
of BBC -- for capitalist reasons. (And so does the EU, for progressive reasons)

Unfortunately, this brocken clock, Rupert Murdoch, is right. The BBC is basically a media-entertainment conglomerate and it's wrong that they get public money (generated by a flat tax!).
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:13 PM
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7. I also fail to see
how ANY of this is the fault of the BBC.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 10:01 PM
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17. Same here.
There's nothing I see shakes the suspicion of his death.

I seem to remember something about a fake identity that was circulating information about WMD's being a hoax. That didn't change the truth one bit.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:23 PM
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8. It's all Blair. Not the BBC.
Edited on Mon Jul-21-03 09:27 PM by gulliver
Kelly told more than one reporter. That's it. Case closed.

Blair's government did not have to drag Kelly into the cameras. They did it specifically knowing what they were doing. They were engaged in a witch hunt and, not unlike the Bushies with Joseph Wilson, Blair was trying to intimidate leakers by threatening them with exposure.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:30 PM
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10. Instead of putting the kibbosh on the phony WMD,
shining the spotlight on the solitary figure of Dr. David Kelly has re-ignited the entire staged Iraq invasion rationale. The result is Poodle Tony has even fewer supporters, if that's possible.

And now, the eyes of the world are on Smirking Moron. Many more today are thinking: "That guy lied and thousands died."

Too bad it had to happen at the expense of Dr. Kelly. All he wanted to do was give peace a chance.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:15 PM
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14. Guardian reported that Blair tried to cut deal which would
have kept Kelly out of limelight. When BBC refused, Blair had no otion but to have Kelly testify. Kelly's testimony supported Blair and made Gilligan into the foolish journalist he is. BBC rank and file, accoriding to the Guardian, think Gilligan is a bad journalist and that the governors who supported him should resign.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 08:38 PM
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12. Dr. Kelly was THE government expert on chem and bio weapons
Edited on Tue Jul-22-03 08:39 PM by reorg
>The board had said earlier that journalists could rely on single sources only in exceptional circumstances ? for example when based on ?senior intelligence sources?.<

These WERE exceptional circumstances and the source WAS quite obviously to be trusted. This guy was the top government expert in the relevant field - but obviously not asked to clear the "intelligence" on the "45 minutes" claim that probably originated with this Hadley guy, anyway, like all the other phony claims.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 09:16 PM
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15. BBC rank and file, according to Guardian article, said that
Kelly was nowhere near senior enough to justify Gilligan's reliance on him.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 10:25 PM
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18. Both BBC and No.10 want to pin rap on Dr. Kelly
Please consider the public statements, which show how the governors stood by their decision to protect the identity of the unknown scientist. Ostensibly, confidentiality helps the UK's free press, of sorts, work properly.

Then the government says it has to out the identity of the scientist in order to protect its own integrity. The guy, alone, appears in public and testifies before a House of Commons Foreign Intelligence committee, where he is publicly grilled and all but flayed alive.

Dr. Kelly, one of the world's top experts in chemical- and bio-warfare, holds firm and says, "No, that wasn't me that said the '45 minutes and they're ready' quote. I turned over what I said upon reading the story. I had made contact with the said journalist, but had not contributed the level of detail the BBC reported."

Well, that's about all we'll know. Two days later, the doctor goes missing and his remains are found 3 miles from his home.

Now, the rank and file BBCers want the governors to resign, based on their belief the governors were supporting a flawed report and second-tier reporter. And things couldn't work out better for those pulling the Poodles leash if they'd planned it that way. It looks like they are ALL goint to get away with the crime of the (PNA) century. All it takes is for the public to forget about it is for the BBC and No. 10 to pin the “crime” of telling the truth on Kelly.

That is unless the others quoted for the story, the REAL sources, those who may have helped OTHER BBC REPORTERS, if you will, find the guts to testify and tell the WHOLE TRUTH about how the WMD lies got into Tony Blair's talking points. They, quite possibly, are holding the other tape recordings of other government sources saying the same thing Dr. Kelly is ALLEGED to have reported: "Saddam is penured. He has no WMD programs even. The war is a farce."

Once the rest of those reporters in the know — in the BBC and in the jolly old USA — step forward, then the whole putrid BFEE Frankenstein of wax will come melting down. That should be a great sight and an even better day.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 10:31 PM
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19. Sounds Like BBC Is Caving
Pinning it all on KELLY and on the "lousy reporter".
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