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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:52 AM
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AP - Flaw found in Adobe Acrobat PDF format
Allows attacks on personal computers through trusted Web links

Updated: 58 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - Computer security researchers said Wednesday they have discovered a vulnerability in Adobe Systems Inc.'s ubiquitous Acrobat Reader software that allows cyber-intruders to attack personal computers through trusted Web links.

Virtually any Web site hosting Portable Document Format, or PDF, files are vulnerable to attack, according to researchers from Symantec Corp. and VeriSign Inc.'s iDefense Intelligence.

The attacks could range from stealing cookies that track a user's Web browsing history to the creation of harmful worms, the researchers said.

The flaw, first revealed at a hacker conference in Germany over the holidays, exists in a plug-in that enables Acrobat users to view PDF files within Web browsers.

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They recommended that users protect themselves by upgrading Internet Explorer or changing Firefox's user options so the browser does not use the Acrobat plug-in.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16464910/
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:55 AM
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1. Huh??---what can you use if NOT Acobat?
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:05 AM
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3. There are a lot of options...
I prefer to use http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/ over adobe.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:07 AM
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5. Thank you verymuch. I am not familiar with it but I will check it out.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:11 AM
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7. Link message: Forbidden - You don't have permission to access/pdf/on this server
Anyone else get this reply?
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:30 AM
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10. Sorry, my bad..
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 03:37 PM
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20. Hi SayWhatYo!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:06 AM
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4. IMO, anything would be preferable to PDF.
They have an advantage when you have a need to print a document, but for just about any other function, PDF sucks like the black hole at the middle of our galaxy.

Biggest gripe I have is linking a reference to a PDF file. There are certain documents at work that I have to reference on a regular basis, usually in functions where speed is a necessity, and about 25 percent of the documents are in PDF format and every single time, I end up having to wait and wait and wait and it's damned annoying.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:21 AM
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9. Download the files you expect to use more than once.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:54 PM
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28. Unfortunately, the files change on very regular basis.
So having a local copy would be a non-starter.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:11 AM
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6. There are lots of jiffy little free .pdf viewers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software

I used to use them a lot, because Adobe Reader (formerly Acrobat) used to soak up comparatively huge amounts of memory and not give it back. Plus, Adobe has never fully explained why Reader wants to constantly transfer information between your computer and home base.

Now, however, I just set my firewall to never, ever let Reader access the Internet. It doesn't seem to prevent .pdf files from being viewed, it just keeps Reader from carrying on its illicit conversation with the Mothership (I hope).
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:29 PM
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17. i use safari on the mac, and it reads pdf files inline. however, you can't enlarge
the typeface or do any other options that make pdf files easy to read.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:53 PM
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26.  control +scrollwheel is your friend
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 05:54 PM by ret5hd
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:59 AM
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2. what about the flaw that has been part of Acrobat for years...
the one that lets it continue to run in the background hogging resources even after you have closed out the pdf.

:mad:

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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:18 AM
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8. PDF = Painful Document Format
I would never use it myself, but I understand it is the standard for academic/technical/official applications. It just tends to hang my pc's memory or processor more than any other app I can think of.
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SayWhatYo Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:38 AM
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11. That's abobe's reader...
That's adobe's reader that sucks up the resources. It's been like that since version 6. Not sure why they decided to go to total bloatware on it. There are 'better'/lighter readers out there though...


PDF is a popular format for ebooks. I prefer chm(mickeysoft compiled html) but often times publishers create an e-copy in PDF format.
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:40 AM
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13. I disagree.
I make dozens and dozens of PDFs each and every week --- and do not find that it hangs up anything (Mac).

I send my customers proofs of their design jobs, and I wouldn't know what to do without it.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:46 AM
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15. Maybe Mac's handle pdf's differently (or memory in general)
but on every pc I have owned (W95 - XP), opening Adobe Reader almost invariably will result in a noticeable loss of memory and/or processor performance.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:06 PM
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16. Are you sure you're not viewing those PDFS with "Preview"?
> I make dozens and dozens of PDFs each and every week ---
> and do not find that it hangs up anything (Mac).

Are you sure you're not viewing those PDFS with "Preview"?
By ddefault, a Mac will use that rather than Adobe Reader
to view PDFs and Preview is *MUCH* faster getting rolling.

Adobe launches and then wastes time trying to convince me
to update the latest version to the latest version {sic}.

Tesha
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:11 PM
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19. yup...
My Mac is lightning fast when i tell it to use Preview to open up a PDF... but when i use Acrobat, YIKES it takes forever! My OS is only 10.2.8, so i can't get the most recent Reader (yes i'm sick of the update pane too). Chalk me up as someone who will be looking for another Reader. Though i won't be worrying about viruses or worms with my Mac... :)

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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 03:45 PM
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21. Yes, that's happening on my husband's computer. WTF???
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 03:45 PM by Radio_Lady
"Adobe launches and then wastes time trying to convince me
to update the latest version to the latest version {sic}."
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:20 AM
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30. (It's Reader. I've had the same difficulties on WIndows/XP.)
>> Adobe launches and then wastes time trying to convince me
>> to update the latest version to the latest version {sic}.

> Yes, that's happening on my husband's computer. WTF???

It's Reader. I've had the same difficulties on Windows/XP
as on MacOS/X. Yeah Adobe! :(

Tesha
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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:47 AM
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29. Actually, I use an old version of Acrobat.
(3.0)

Works great for me, so why spend money on an upgrade that apparently stinks.
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:39 AM
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12. That's okay, by the time the pdf plugin actually starts I've already
lost interested in reading the document in the first place
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:35 PM
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18. That applies to pretty much any overly baroque Web link ... nt
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:45 AM
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14. Seems this page gives details for Firefox users
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 10:47 AM by Kagemusha
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Adobe_Reader

under "Disabling the browser plugin".
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 04:13 PM
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22. I could tell ya 'bout a halfdozen flaws
Most of them involve acrobat staying open and slowing down my browser... ^_^;;;;
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 04:20 PM
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23. Every version of Acrobat has sucked for several years now
I'm always having one problem or another with it.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:00 PM
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24. Adobe's acrobat reader for Linux is total crap
When you are used to using open source software you come to forget how absolutely awful 99% of proprietary software is, and Acrobat is certainly in that 99%. I use Ghostview and Evince instead.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 05:20 PM
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25. One of many PDF and SWF flaws -- many are worse
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 05:24 PM by unc70
I have been warning against all of the PDF and SWF apps as security risks. Even fully patched, they have inherent security problems that affect not just MS Windows, but also Mac and Linux.

The biggest peril with the Adobe products is ActionScript, a programming language that was designed to execute within Flash. It has various security gaps, particularly when combined with JavaScript. The security discussions at Adobe are mostly PR. For every hole that AS 3.0 closed, it opened several new ones, ripe for attack.

It is not just the Adobe add-ins that are at risk. There have been several SWF or PDF addins which were themselves malware of some type, so be wary of them, too.

BTW I use ghostview on Linux when I must view PDF. Try to avoid SWF whenever I can. I mostly use w3m as my browser, so I am terminally paranoid.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:15 PM
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27. Thank you for this important information about Adobe Acrobat. n/t
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