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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 11:57 AM
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Somali Brits are not al-Qaeda

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2540336,00.html

Somali Brits are not al-Qaeda

They are all in their early 20’s and regard themselves as British, but in recent weeks a group of men have left their families in the UK to go to Somalia to fight for that country’s Islamic leaders.

These men insist they are not terrorists. They have not gone to join up with al-Qaeda or its many affiliates operating in East Africa, but have given up their jobs and studies to support the militia loyal to the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) which, until last month, controlled the Somali capital, Mogadishu.

The Foreign Office concedes that it does not know how many of these young Britons went to sign up with an international brigade drawn from expatriate families across Europe.

...

Many of these Britons who were forced into retreat when Ethiopian-led troops took control of Mogadishu may now find themselves in territory controlled by clans sympathetic to al-Qaeda, but that is because these are the only areas where the routed UIC forces can regard as safe havens.

While the UK authorities wait for the Ethiopians to hand over the passports and other documentation they claim to have taken from their British captives, the best hope these men have to escape is to make it back across the Kenyan border before limping ‘home’ to Britain


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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 12:04 PM
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1. So they're not al-Qaeda. Try and see if the right wing cares
They're black, they're in a bad country, they're on the wrong side of US foreign policy. Kiss your rear goodbye.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 12:44 PM
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2. This is so wrong. We had no right to bomb Somalia

Geeze. We use the excuse of a musty old 1998 embassy bombing to go and attack a very poor country?

The rest of the world just ignores our bombs while these young Brits go risk their lives to try and do something. That's bravery.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:18 PM
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3. Al-Qaeda or not, they may wind up in Gitmo.
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 01:19 PM by Eugene
They are foreign (expatriate is good enough) fighters along side
suspected al-Qaeda in a new front in Bush's War on Terror.
They are not out of the woods even if they make it to Kenya.
The UK can have them arrested in transit and transferred to US
custody. They've done this before. Even if they aren't al-Qaeda,
the US might think they have intelligence value. Gitmo and various
black sites hold hundreds of suspected Taliban.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 01:19 PM
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4. So was 'home' questioned for those returning from 1939 Spain
(and race, culture, religion, political philosophy, similar militant activity)?

Are any such present and future INTERNATIONAL BRIGADES now, without as much as a whimper, to be mediatically 'spun' out of court?

Please excuse me while I go to feel sicker than I did already.

No es aceptable. No pasarán.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 02:20 PM
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5. What does "no pasaran" mean?
Reading it gave me chills. I've heard it before (related to Spanish Civil War?) but I don't know any Spanish.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 04:38 PM
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6. Literally: "They shall not pass"
(or, they won't (we won't let them) get away with this).

However long it takes...

Un abrazo (that's a hug) aquart. :hug: You are not alone.

Saludos from Spain.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-11-07 04:23 AM
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8. My summer camp as a child was run by Bob Steck.
He ran intelligence for the Lincoln Brigade. He was captured and imprisoned, and survived. I had no idea. I found out in an internet search for someone else altogether.

I also didn't know that my father helped make secret travel arrangements to Spain for the volunteers because our government was not encouraging our participation.

At the fortieth reunion of the American Brigades, there was a pageant written by my uncle, and he gave me a part in it. I didn't know who Dolores Ibarruri was. But my part was to give her farewell speech to the international brigades. I only remember one part of one line: "You came like brothers of ours..." Her picture must have flashed on the screen behind me when I walked onstage, because the whole Statler Hilton ballroom full of people began applauding. Which I was unprepared for and no one warned me about and I had no idea how to stop. The only thing I could think of to signal I wanted to speak was to raise my right hand, palm facing them. The room went silent instantly. Like someone turned a switch. I've always wondered if that was a gesture of hers.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 07:08 PM
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7. Actually the answer in 1939 was yes, the US tended to view such fighters as Suspect.
Edited on Wed Jan-10-07 07:09 PM by happyslug
http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/abe-brigade.html

An additional problem for veterans of the Spanish Civil War was that by the end of the Spanish Civil War the Lincoln Brigade was down to only 150 men. Given you only had 150 men left who COULD ENLIST (many of who had been wounded and the US Military could reject as "unfit" do to their wounds), all the US Military needed to do is restrict the Veterans who did enlist (and remember a good number of the surviving members tended to be older Americans, thus additional grounds to refuse to enlist them, especially after FDR ordered all service men DRAFTED as opposed to letting some "enlist" after 1942). Given the older age of the Veterans of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, they lack of US military experience (Notice I said US Military not their service in Spain) it is no surprise that most ended up in the Merchant Marine who would take people older than 35 and people with minor physical problems (i.e. the people wounded from service in Spain).

A report that the term "Premature Anti-fascist" was NEVER used by the US Military:
http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/21/sept02/spain.htm

More on the Abraham Lincoln Brigade:
http://www.alba-valb.org/volpdf/v27n3_september2005.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_Brigade
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SPlincoln.htm
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