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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:59 PM
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Bush Takes a Softer Stance on North Korea (They have nukes but no oil)
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/22/international/asia/22PREX.html?ex=1059451200&en=ca0c15cd20bf2159&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

CRAWFORD, Tex., July 21 — President Bush appeared today to shrug off evidence that North Korea may have begun producing plutonium at a second, hidden nuclear facility, and avoided any hint of confrontation with the country as it races to expand its nuclear arsenal.

"The desire by the North Koreans to convince the world that they're in the process of developing a nuclear arsenal is nothing new," Mr. Bush said, striking a far more moderate tone than in March, when he declared that the United States would not tolerate a nuclear North Korea.

He insisted that cooperation with China on a diplomatic solution was moving forward and said American allies would work "to convince Kim Jong Il," the North Korean leader, "that his decision is an unwise decision."

Mr. Bush's remarks — which are in sharp contrast to his words and actions regarding Iraq — come at a time when American and Asian officials have said there is "worrisome" but not "conclusive" evidence that North Korea has constructed a second plant for producing weapons-grade plutonium.

Nearly two weeks ago, North Korean officials declared that they had completed reprocessing 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods, enough to make about a half dozen nuclear bombs. American officials, however, have not been able to verify that.

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lkinsale Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:04 PM
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1. But what about the mushroom cloud??
I guess we're not supposed to worry in this case.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:35 PM
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2. Bush Will Worry about NK Nukes...
..when they get missiles that can hit the red states.


:nuke::nuke::nuke:
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Aleesha Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:11 PM
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3. Bush is scared!!
He's afraid to make any moves, no one will trust him now or listen to him.
Also, when Clinton left office, peace talks with NK were left on the table for Bush to pick up and continue, and he chose to ignore them, so now, he's fucked and he knows it.
He will be tugging at the UN to bail his ass out on this one.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:39 PM
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4. Bush has been trying to do an Iraq to them and Russia and China...
Edited on Mon Jul-21-03 11:40 PM by NNN0LHI
...have both told him to go piss up a rope.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/nation/5717845.htm

U.S. may consider N. Korea sanctions

<snip>When the U.N. Security Council took up the North Korea issue two weeks ago, sanctions were not discussed. The Council expressed concern over North Korea's withdrawal from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. A stronger statement failed to pass because of opposition from China and Russia.

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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:43 PM
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5. I'm scared too
This is something that could end up really bad if we don't act very quickly. The N Koreans are a far worse threat than Iraq, while being backed, more or less, by China, and being dirt poor. At least Iraq had oil to keep itself afloat, even through the sanctions. These guys have nothing- but nuclear weapons, soon enough. And they'll sell them.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:50 PM
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7. And thanks to Monkey boy there should be plenty of buyers too
Edited on Tue Jul-22-03 12:10 AM by NNN0LHI
Everyone realizes that they need nukes now to smoke the USA off of their asses. What did you expect after Chimpys big move on Iraq?

Don

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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:48 PM
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6. North Korea has oil ...
A Singaporean petroleum firm has confirmed that they had found oil and gas deposits in North Korea.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/discover/dix24872.htm
13-11-02 Sovereign Ventures, a Singaporean petroleum exploration company, announced on August 28 that it found in the DPRK reserves of at least 28.3 bn cm of natural gas and 50 mm barrels of petroleum. The locations are in Hoeryong and Onsong in North Hamgyong Province.
The Singaporean venture stressed that the discovery is particularly significant since the survey covered only a third of the exploration zone with an area of 6,000 sq km.

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The DPRK’s oil exploration history dates back to 1965 when it started its extensive geological research. And the country has been fully set on oil business since 1993 when its government upgraded the Petroleum Research Bureau to the Ministry of Petroleum Industry. In its report released in late 1997, the ministry, after 30 years of geological study and test borings in both offshore and onshore parts of the country, concluded that there exist seven oil-bearing basins. The report suggests that the West Sea Bay Basin alone contains billions of barrels of oil.
In October 1998, DPRK leader Kim Jong Il told the visiting South Korean business tycoon, the then honorary chairman Chung Joo Young of Hyundai Group (who died last year): “Pyongyang is on oil (basin).”



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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 12:05 AM
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8. Very little and not enough to go to war for
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-03 12:52 AM
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9. That could change with oil exploration ...
... and anyway, it may be that some of these potential North Korean oil/gas fields might already belong to the Cheney Cartel.

http://www.rmfdevelopment.com/political/NorthKoreaOil.htm

An interesting link from North Korean Oil Reserves to the current American Presidential Administration is Andrew D. Lundquist. SOCO International PLC is a British Oil Company that was spun off from Snyder Oil Corporation of Texas according to Asian energy expert Dr. Keun-Wook Paik < lxmi.mi.infn.it/~landnet/corea/proc/033.pdf > Former Snyder Oil execs John Snyder and Roger Cagle are part of the board of directors of SOCO International PLC. They were part of Snyder Oil as was Andrew D. Lundquist. Andrew Lundquist was part of senior management for SOCO Gas Systems Inc . Andrew Lundquist was most famously the "director of the National Energy Policy Development Group and senior advisor to President Bus and Vice President Cheney on energy issues". This was the Cheney task force that the GAO sued in a failed attempt to retrieve Energy records. SOCO International PLC has a 9600 square kilometer offshore oil lease concession in North Korea ("PSC") that it picked up 1998. They will probably need a downstream South Korean or American partner to make money if oil is found. SOCO International PLC is also highly involved in Vietnam and was highly involved in Russia.

The author asks some questions ...
http://www.rmfdevelopment.com/political/SOCO_SICO_NCB_BCCI_TCB1_TCB2.htm

SOCO Inernational PLC holds a 9600 square kilometer oil lease concession in North Korea they have owned since 1998. SOCO International PLC is also highly involved in Vietnam and was highly involved in Russia. They seem to have a penchant for exploring for oil in countries America for which America was once at war.

Questions:

· Did Lundquist help Bush and Cheney decide policy on North Korea while he owned an interest in 9600 square kilometers of Korean offshore oil?

· Are Bush and Cheney buddies with Snyder and Cagle?

· Are American oil industrialists deciding Foreign Policy for North Korea?


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