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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:14 AM
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US raid on Iranian office 'unacceptable': Russia
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/12/070112115053.lnblstgl.html

"A raid by US troops on an Iranian office in Iraq was "absolutely unacceptable" and violated international law, Russia's foreign ministry has said. The raid Thursday in the northern Iraqi city of Arbil was "absolutely unacceptable" and "the crudest possible violation of the Vienna convention on consular relations," ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin said in a statement.

The statement referred to the raid as being directed against "the Iranian consulate general" and described five Iranians arrested as "diplomats."

Ruh-Roh George! I don't like how this whole thing is starting to unfold. Would the Russians just stand-by if we attack Iran

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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:17 AM
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1. Hell world...
it is pretty clear that the US does not abide by any 'convention' at this time. When will the world save us from ourselves. So sad.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:20 AM
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2. or China?
these fools think it's all just a game. But if China and Russia intervene between the little monkey and Iran.... well I hate to think what the consequences will be for all of us.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 12:53 PM
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4. I'm not sure what they can do about it.
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 12:54 PM by Kagemusha
Aside from complain and publicly shame the US, which they are doing.

I mean practically speaking.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 05:52 PM
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10. Practically speaking China can cut Bush off at the knees economically. China
has already made Bush STFU and sit in the corner with regard to N. Korea.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:13 PM
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11. That's silly. The US is a critical Chinese market.
China's mature enough not to shoot itself in the head to spite its face.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:24 PM
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13. Not true. China distributes its products all over the world. China will
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 06:59 PM by VegasWolf
do what is in its best interests, and China will not allow Bush to interfere with China's determination to be the major partner of Iran's oil infrastructure.

What is silly, is not recognizing the emergence of a major power that is superseding that of the US.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:55 PM
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17. I can agree with all of that except the "not true" part...
Because unless things with Iran go far, far worse than even the worst reasonable scenario out there, China's best interests are represented by keeping the US market open to Chinese goods. Just because they're distributed all over the world doesn't mean the US has ceased to be the #1 single largest economy.

Meaning, short of the US chosing its markets, China feels free to inflict pain to represent its interests, if required.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:08 PM
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18. The "not true" part is the essence of the argument. The US is becoming a has been
economy. It is stagnant. The US is headed down and China is headed up. The proof is in the value of the US dollar. It is falling against all major currencies. There are very smart investors the world over and they don't trust their money in US currency. Manufacturing is down, jobs are outsourced, and the US has bankrupted itself in this war with Iraq.

However, many people refused to believe Rome's days were over either. They were behind the curve and left wondering what happened.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:19 PM
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19. A #1 has been economy is still #1.
And China's is a not yet that's still profiting from the existing #1 greatly.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:23 PM
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20. Yes, we have the largest deficit in the world. We are #1. We are the largest debtor
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 09:30 PM by VegasWolf
nation in the world, again #1. We rank 38th and 35th of nations in the world in terms of science and math. Our young are certainly not #1 in the world. The world is changing, in flux, and there is nothing that says the US will remain where it was in the 20th Century. All indications point to China. I'm going with the smart money on this one.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:31 PM
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22. The smart money is China leeching money off the US as long as possible.
This Iran stuff is still small potatoes. No time to hit the panic button from the Chinese POV. That's my guess.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:34 PM
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23. Yes, that is your guess. Your "smart money" does not bear up to reality by
simply looking at the exchange currency rates. There the "smart money" disagrees with you.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:26 AM
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25. We will be fighting them over here and over there
It is the Bush* goal that we just be fighting them period...
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:22 AM
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3. Like lil' lord pi$$ypant$ ever cared about International law...
Heck, he doesn't even care about the U.S. Constitution he swore (on the Bible, no less...) to uphold and...

Must make his fascist $ponsor$ very happy to warm up their good ol' "cold" War...

Sacrifice, anyone? (Rapture ready?) :grr:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 01:21 PM
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5. Russia and China haven't done jack fucking shit in the past.
They'll make a few whimpers, then roll over and watch the Middle East get levelled and then levelled again in a constant Hell of Fundamentalists (Christofascists included) at war.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 01:39 PM
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6. yikes
WW3 approacheth
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 02:29 PM
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7. Against Internetional Law
thats the just of it and then we release the men

Is he nutsoid
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 03:02 PM
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8. all the nations should be loudly condemning this US action
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 04:55 PM
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9. Normally , I would agree with the posts condemming US
But this was an Iranian facility, you know, the ones who held our diplomats hostage, They have no cause to complain. Good for us They are the ones who do not respect consular sovereignty. Russia and China can go scratch
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:14 PM
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12. What did Ghandi say?
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:34 PM
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14. So the ones we're holding were involved?
Oh, they weren't?

Nice bigotry you're showing, blaming all Iranians for the hostage crisis (Reagan and Poppy helped extend via illegal arms deals).

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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 06:40 PM
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15. Iraq's US-backed war on Iran resulted in 300,000 Iranian deaths and 1 million wounded.
Even that wasn't sufficient revenge for you?
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 07:28 PM
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16. Can see whose side you're on plainly enough.
> But this was an Iranian facility, you know, the ones who held our diplomats hostage,
> They are the ones who do not respect consular sovereignty.

Most of the soldiers in Iraq weren't even born when the Iranian students attacked the US embassy.
Many of the airmen in Iraq weren't born when the US totally fucked up a helicopter "rescue".
Strangely enough, several of the politicians in the Bush administration *were* involved
in the Middle East around that time.

Wonder why some limp-dick decided that invading the sovereign territory of a consulate was
a good idea?

> Russia and China can go scratch

*cough* Check who holds your IOUs sunshine.

> They have no cause to complain. Good for us

If you want to go there, how about the UK bombs the shit out of Boston because, in that same
time period as you are reviewing, Boston (and other places in the USA) was funding terrorists who
murdered innocent civilians in the British mainland.

Oh, there are "time limits" on your memory in one case but not in another?
How about if some Grenadans shoot up New York "for old times sake"?

:eyes:
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:49 PM
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24.  I agree with you. eom
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:23 PM
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21. Russia and China will stand by and watch the US self-destruct.
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