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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:31 PM
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Iraqis want Saddam tried in Baghdad; human rights group urges PoW status
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 05:33 PM by Tinoire
Iraqis want Saddam tried in Baghdad; human rights group urges PoW status

Updated at 17:09 on December 14, 2003, EST.


BAGHDAD (AP) - The interim Iraqi government said Sunday it wants to try Saddam Hussein before a special tribunal, but a human rights group voiced deep concern about the legitimacy of the newly established panel.


The United States reserved judgment.

Iraq's new leaders want Saddam to face the tribunal they established last week specifically to hear cases involving leading members of the Saddam regime accused of genocide and other crimes against humanity.

<snip>

Before Saddam's capture, top U.S. officials in Baghdad had privately acknowledged the former dictator likely would be handed over to the new Iraqi government to stand trial.

Amnesty International, however, criticized the new Iraqi tribunal as flawed. It demanded that Saddam - as commander-in-chief of Iraq's armed forces - be classified as a prisoner of war.

<snip>

"Saddam will stand a public trial so that the Iraqi people will know his crimes," said Ahmad Chalabi, another member of the Governing Council.

<snip>

http://www3.cjad.com/content/cjad_news/article.asp?id=w1214107A


Chalabi at Bush Thanksgiving Charade at Baghdad Airport"

Iraqi Governing Counsel member Ahmad Chalabi (C) smiles while U.S. military troops applaud U. S. President George W. Bush who surprised U.S. military troops stationed in Iraq with a secret Thanksgiving Day visit to personally honor their service and sacrifice at the Baghdad International Airport, November 27, 2003. The president arrived in Iraq unannounced and met with troops before returning to his Central Texas ranch for the weekend. REUTERS/Larry Downing

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:37 PM
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1. Maybe Rove wants him to do some speaker's tours first
Saddam in the cage kinda revue...big money raiser.
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grok Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:47 PM
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3. Like Hannibal the Cannibal?
In the Cage like in the Movie?

Grok

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:39 PM
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2. He should be tried by Iraqis
Not the US and not the Hague. I feel confident that the Iraqis can dispense the justice that Hussein deserves.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:56 PM
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5. If he is tried at the Hague
then we could get more info on him being supported by the Raygun adm.
If tried in Irak under U$ occupation, nothing of U$ participation will come to light. It will be a lynch trial.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:33 PM
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8. BTW: Clark has asked for an international trial...
While I'm a Kucinich guy, that action alone give him big points in my eyes.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:18 PM
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10. Why should it be international?
If Saddam was as bad as they say he was, it was against Iraqis. Iraqis have the right to try him and mete out whatever sentence they see fit. What this has to do with the US or any other nation is beyond guessing.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:36 PM
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11. Why are they trying Milosevic at the Hague?
Because we went in with a fig leaf of UN resolutions and installed our own government. If we or the Iraqi puppet government try Saddam, there will always be the taint of kangaroo justice.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:51 PM
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15. It should be international, Scott
Because we only have Bush's WORD for how bad he was. They're our only fount of objectivity at the moment, though of course Georgie will say otherwise. This might actually be a little fun!


rocknation
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 10:01 PM
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17. Because it has to do with Iran and the chemicals the US gave..
to Saddam Hussein to do his crimes at our bidding. Thats why?
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BenFranklinUSA Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:10 AM
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23. Q: Does The Haugue have the death penalty?
If not, what's the point?
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:45 AM
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25. Jack Straw said no death penalty
I heard on the BBC this morning that Straw said the Brits will not allow the death penalty for Sadaam.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:54 PM
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12. You wouldn't get any info at all...
just follow the trial against Milosovic. As soon as it was clear that it doesn't work like it was expected from the USA and Europe, it's not covered in the news anymore.
Hi from Germany,
Dirk
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:59 PM
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16. You got that right and that asshole Ahmed Chalabi would be inciting..
the Iraqis.


Ahmad Chalabi, an American-trained financier who has close ties to senior Pentagon officials and
is a prominent member of the council, the U.S.-appointed interim government in Iraq. Another
possibility, some in the administration say, is that Iraq could evolve toward a political compromise
forged by the exile Ahmad Chalabi — a secular Shiite. Mr. Chalabi might manage to stitch
together pro-Iranian groups, Kurds and others into a government.

A top administration official predicted recently that in that event, Mr. Chalabi — who set up an
office for his opposition group in Tehran before the American invasion of Iraq — could become
the first Iraqi prime minister.

U.S. authorities insist that ties between business and government officials have not tainted any
contracts. "We're following all the standard federal rules" in awarding U.S. contracts, said a
Pentagon official, who asked to remain unidentified.

Here's the fucking problem.....
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grok Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:58 PM
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6. We have to
or rather THEY have to establish a democracy first. Not us. Justice will have to wait. And the council is NOT enough. It is not our place to dispense justice in this regard. We may have lost soldiers, too many. But Iraq has lost generations and thousands. If not millions

Osama is another case. Emotionally, I want him drawn and quartered. In time square,NY. No less. He has caused us to go the militaristic way for now. For that he has to PAY.

Grok

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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:13 PM
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9. Going the militaristic way was ONE of many choices....
this cabal had and it was a CHOICE. Noone made or forced this regime to go take a militaristic stance not even OBL.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 05:47 PM
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4. Do you think maybe we'll see a huge power play
by Chalawbi now - he's had to be somewhat restrained (not much) he definitely wants to run that country.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 06:26 PM
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7. Only ONE appropriate venue for Saddam trial...
An International Criminal Court....The Hague!

He can't be tried in the US, unless Saddam has violated any US Laws.

ANY trial in Iraq will be a kangaroo court manned by bush* puppets and sycophants.

After they finish with Saddam, they can go on to bush*,Pearle, Wolfie, Cheney, Condo, Rummy and all the other sociopath War Criminals that demanded this illegal invasion.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:19 PM
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13. He won't be tried anytime soon
He is an intelligence asset who will need to be interrogated for a long time first.

Then I doubt very much that the world court will get anywhere near him. I think the Iraqis have first and last claim on his sorry hide.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:25 PM
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14. you got that right
and it will most likely be a u.s. military tribunal... unless you believe the neoCONs have gone soft.

peace
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:46 PM
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18. You sound just like Richard Pearle & Ahmed Chalabi!
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:53 PM
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19. How so?
That was sort of like a drive-by comment -- all noise and damage. Nothing constructive.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 05:12 AM
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20. Which Iraqis? Our hand-picked "Governing Council'? n/t
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:58 AM
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21. They are the ones in charge
Which ones would you suggest?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 08:06 AM
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22. I'd suggest The Hague. Remember Nuremberg? Or is Saddam..
worse than the Nazis? Or have we become worse?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:15 AM
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24. You can suggest it, they won't do it
The * admin has already stated a ton of problems with the International Criminal Court. They are not now going to turn over their PR opportunity to bolster something they oppose.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 09:46 AM
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26. I don't know. During "Good Morning America", Charles Gibson seemed...
to be suggesting that the Admin. is preparing the public for some "potentially embarrasing details of past US Iraq involvement" that may come out during a public trial.

I know Clark is pressing this point. The standard of Nuremberg will be hard to overcome...
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