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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:55 AM
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GOP urges (Sandy) Berger lie test

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070124-121614-2703r.htm

GOP urges Berger lie test
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Eighteen House Republicans have urged the Justice Department to proceed with a polygraph test for Samuel R. Berger, the former national security adviser who agreed to take the test as part of a plea of guilty of stealing documents from the National Archives.

"This may be the only way for anyone to know whether Mr. Berger denied the 9/11 commission and the public the complete account of the Clinton administration's actions or inactions during the lead-up to the terrorist attacks on the United States," the congressmen said in their letter to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales.

The congressmen -- led by Rep. Thomas M. Davis III of Virginia -- said a prompt lie-detector test is needed to determine the extent of Mr. Berger's thievery, especially because the former Clinton administration adviser reviewed original documents for which there were no copies or inventory.

...

Mr. Davis, former chairman and now ranking Republican on the House Government Reform Committee, released a report by his staff on Jan. 9, saying a Justice Department investigation of Mr. Berger's admitted document theft was "remarkably incurious."

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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:56 AM
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1. Only if Cheney, Rove & Libby take one too!
Fair is fair.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 01:04 PM
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9. Test
You took the words out of my mouth Liberal!!!!!!
I was going to say the same thing!!!

WAHOO
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 04:53 PM
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10. And Dr. Kindasleazy Lies, too.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:24 PM
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25. Yep, it would only be fair.
Boy, these asses have their nerve!
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:56 AM
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2. uh....who runs the Justice Department?
It seems that the Bush junta does and they don't care, so why the fuck should we care?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:56 AM
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3. how about a lie test for GEORGE W BUSH and dickhead cheney? nt
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:57 AM
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4. punch drunk and swinging at air
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 09:58 AM
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5. What, they don't trust the National Archives?
The NA has already stated that Berger did not remove any original documents, only copies of originals. He's already pleaded guilty to that. What more do they want? Will they not be satisfied until they've extracted their pound of flesh?
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:22 PM
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14. Do you have the link for the "copies"?
I have never read that. I have always read that he removed and "destroyed" original, classified documents.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:35 PM
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16. Berger's Plea (WSJ April 6, 2005)
... we called Justice Department Public Integrity chief prosecutor Noel Hillman, who assured us that Mr. Berger did not deny any documents to history. "There is no evidence that he intended to destroy originals," said Mr. Hillman. "There is no evidence that he did destroy originals. We have objectively and affirmatively confirmed that the contents of all the five documents at issue exist today and were made available to the 9/11 Commission." ...
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006521
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:15 PM
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18. Did you read the rest of that article?
Especially, where it says he did destroy original documents.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:24 PM
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19. "Especially, where" is right! Especially, WHERE?
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 06:24 PM by Judi Lynn
From the article:
After a long investigation, however, Justice says the picture that emerged is of a man who knowingly and recklessly violated the law in handling classified documents, but who was not trying to hide any evidence. Prosecutors believe Mr. Berger genuinely wanted to prepare for his testimony before the 9/11 Commission but felt he was somehow above having to spend numerous hours in the Archives as the rules required, and that he didn't exactly know how to return the documents once he'd taken them out.

More than a few conservatives have been crying foul, or whitewash, in part because Mr. Berger's plea means he'll likely avoid jail and lose his security clearance for only three years. So we called Justice Department Public Integrity chief prosecutor Noel Hillman, who assured us that Mr. Berger did not deny any documents to history. "There is no evidence that he intended to destroy originals," said Mr. Hillman. "There is no evidence that he did destroy originals. We have objectively and affirmatively confirmed that the contents of all the five documents at issue exist today and were made available to the 9/11 Commission."
Make the move to read for comprehension.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:04 PM
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23. "Archives officials . said . Berger had copies only, and . no original documents were lost."
Berger Will Plead Guilty To Taking Classified Paper
By John F. Harris and Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, April 1, 2005; Page A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16706-2005Mar31.html

Sounds like it's you versus the prosecutors and archive officials, so I guess you don't win a see-gar ...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 06:30 PM
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20. Thanks for the link. Very interesting. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:55 PM
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21. Kick.
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 10:02 AM
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6. Maybe they could subpoena Web Hubbell while they're at it.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 11:29 AM
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7. It was the document that explained how terrorists could fly planes into buildings.
If Condi had had that document, she could have stopped 9/11.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 12:46 PM
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8. Corruption?!!?? ...Er, uh...LOOK OVER THERE!
they have one guy worth investigating over there! Don't look at the dozens and dozens of quid pro quo addicts in the House. Look at that guy who hasn't been in government for 6 years!!! He's the real villain here!

Besides, that case has already been adjudicated. The Pukkkes just don't like the verdict.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 05:21 PM
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11. Yup, that's pretty much what this is all about.
"But enough about me -- what about him?"
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 05:25 PM
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12. Then can we require Libby, KKKove, Cheney and bush to take a lie detector tests?
That seems fair doesn't it? :shrug:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:25 PM
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26. I would like to put them under oath too.
:evilgrin:
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 06:42 PM
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13. If these GOPig congress creeps are lying,
about original documents being stolen, they should not be in office. Lying about a case for political reasons should carry a penalty. As far as I heard all the originals were undisturbed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:32 PM
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15. the tskandal here is the republick party LYING about sandy berger --
and the KNOW they're lying but do it anyway -- because if a republick party person says it -- why it must be true.

lets have a report on that shall we?
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-24-07 08:37 PM
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17. .. sure if we can get Dick on a lie detector at the same time ...
:evilgrin:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 07:59 PM
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22. Rocknation urges (Bush monarchy) lie detector test.
:evilgrin:
rocknation
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 08:05 PM
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24. They'll need reinforced machines for that!
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