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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 02:57 PM
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Chavez a threat to democracy, US intelligence chief says

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/americas/news/article_1253669.php/Chavez_a_threat_to_democracy_US_intelligence_chief_says

Chavez a threat to democracy, US intelligence chief says

Washington - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez exports a form of 'radical populism' throughout Latin America that poses a threat to democracy, the top US intelligence official said Tuesday.

John Negroponte, during hearings on his nomination to become deputy secretary of state, warned that frustration in Latin America about the lack of prosperity under democratic governments could further fuel the populism advocated by Chavez.

US-Venezuelan relations have suffered during Chavez's presidency. Chavez has travelled the world lambasting what he considers American imperialism and in September called US President George W Bush 'the devil.'

Washington has objected to Chavez's crackdown on free media and civil rights groups, and says democratic institutions under his rule have been marginalized. Chavez is expected to be granted powers this week to issue decrees without parliamentary approval - a move that has been criticized by Venezuelan opposition parties as a step towards totalitarianism.

'His behaviour is threatening to democracies in the region,' Negroponte told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 02:59 PM
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1. Democratically elected leader a threat to democracy.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:26 PM
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48. Yeah, He Inspires Others to Democracy! And That's a Threat!
The lords and masters of the universe (global corporations and their owners) can't abide the thought of losing that much control.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:00 PM
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2. New leader, same broken record from the Ambassador of Death
:eyes:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:00 PM
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3. After decades of destructive U.S. policy
The peoples of Central and South America want nothing to do with America's brand of democracy.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:01 PM
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4. And if that wasn't bad enough
he has ended up with a lot of our oil.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:02 PM
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18. Our oil? Like our Irag oil? Who made us God?
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 07:46 AM
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39. I'm pretty sure it was James Polk and Zachary Taylor
The guys who gave you "Manifest Destiny".
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:00 PM
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44. The right to steal whatever we want. Too bad it did not cover the poor.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:01 PM
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5. No Mr. Negroponte, it is not the lack of prosperity in democratic
governments. It is the amazing greed of the predator classes in democracies that you need to be afraid of.

Oh, and I sure hope he wasn't referring to the US as a democratic nation.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:16 PM
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10. Well when you change this US dictatorship to a democracy, YOU CAN TALK!!!
Negropointe is an ass!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:56 AM
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42. Negroponte is a Nun Rapist
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:02 PM
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6. Since democracy means all government workers get GOP minders
and the POTUS and VOP work on everything in secret, the article is right. Venezuela is not an American type democracy and is a threat because it shows American citizens the way out from under the dictatorship we live in.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:09 PM
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7. We must reclaim the language..this is not democracy..it is corporatism
populist..which means is popular with the people is NOT democratic? These people are liars, cheats, thiefs, murderers,and genocidal maniacs in order to allow the fascists to take over for the benefit of the few. John Philger has turned me into a true USA hater!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:09 PM
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8. Bush a threat to democracy, American says. nt
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:10 PM
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9. Well, we can't be EVERYWHERE . . . .
IMO, it's the turn of another democratic nation to force our political system on a nondemocratic government.
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pdrichards114 Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:17 PM
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11. Point by point!
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 03:19 PM by pdrichards114
Chavez has oil, and is beginning to think about cutting of the US, hence the threat.

Point 1. Populism pose threats to any neo-facistic regime, it doesn't matter if its radical or not. And for good reason. Power to the people.

Point 2. Frustration about lack of properity is a direct result of IMF and World Bank policies foisted upon a nation with developing infrastructures.

Point 3. Reworded, US-Venezualan relation have suffered during Bush's is presidency but we'll blame Chavez for Bush's incompetence and evil policies.

Point 4.Reporting and freedom of the press has steadily been eroding in the US, we are now ranked 53 in the world.


Point 5. "Chavez is expected to be granted powers this week to issue decrees without parliamentary approval - a move that has been criticized by Venezuelan opposition parties as a step towards totalitarianism." UHHHHH! Signing Statements you fucking assholes.

Point 6 .'His behaviour is threatening to democracies in the region,' Negroponte told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Bush is a threat to the entire human race.

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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:22 PM
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12. Well, the school teacher would know
school of the Americas that is.



read all about this ol' skull and boneser, btw, how did he get US citizenship?

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/negroponte.htm
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cdnwannabe Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:26 PM
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13. Chavez democratically elected - nuff said....
and I hope he does continue to nationalize their resources - that's what the people elected him to do!
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:31 PM
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14. John Negroponte?
:rofl:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:40 PM
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15. Ahhhh, the despicable Negroponte back in his Latin American home.
Head of massacres in Central American.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 03:59 PM
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16. "U.S. a Threat to Democracy, Chavez's intelligence says"
:rofl:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:01 PM
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17. Democracy? I think they mean capitalism: nationalize oil industry
and land reform. Those are the things that have been needed for years.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:15 PM
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19. Rule by decree. yada yada
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 04:16 PM by WakingLife
Yawn.

I am so tired of the hysterics over this from feeble minded people who can't be bothered to check the facts. (Hmmm maybe they haven't descended on this thread because they don't want to show their true natures by agreeing with Negroponte of all people?)

It is a limited power that is fully legal under the Vz constitution to allow Chavez to have more control over the agencies that answer to him in the executive branch. It is not unusual. It has been done several times in Vz history. It is nothing that is out of line with what the executive can do in any western democracy.



Hugo Chavez, the Press and the "Rule By Decree" Meme in Venezuela
http://venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1946

Did you hear that President Chavez is going to Rule by Decree for the next 18 months? The very idea evokes a picture of a not-too-distant South American past, one in which all-powerful executives live out their capricious whims and mete out brutal retribution against political enemies. It's all so dramatic and perverse and larger than life. Somewhere Andrew Lloyd Webber is already mapping out the musical score.

...snip...

Here's what's actually happening: The Venezuelan assembly is poised to pass a law that will give the executive branch greater leeway to establish norms on a certain range of issues. Most of these involve guidelines for the president's own cabinet-level agencies. In other words, the Venezuelan version of the IRS will map out the country's tax structure; the Transportation department will devise its own strategic plan for public transit nationwide, etc. This represents a shift of certain powers from the legislative branch to the executive, to be sure, but on paper they don't seem to stray too far from the powers that the executive branch in the United States already has. Venezuelanaysis.com has a full listing of the ten issue areas that are affected.

It is important to note that this type of power-transfer is allowed under the Venezuelan constitution of 1999, which expressly permits the President to issue executive orders specifically within these issue areas. Of course, the constitution continues to guide the country's overall legal framework, which is to say that no "decree" can supersede constitutional law.

What's more, this "enabling law" is not new to the current constitution. Venezuela's previous constitution allowed for similar powers shifts to the executive, and you can be sure that past presidents took advantage of this authority on multiple occasions throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's. Here are a few examples:

...more...


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:35 PM
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22. If they took the time they spend posting misinformation and started RESEARCHING, instead,
we'd all be the better for it!

From your link, reference to previous use in Venezuelans by Presidents the U.S. did NOT squall about, one, Perez, of whom directed his troops to shoot into crowds of Venezuelan poor protesting his doubling their transportation costs, who was later impeached for corruption and embezzlement:
In 1974, Congress gave President Carlos Andres Perez the right to "rule by decree" on a number of economic matters, which he used to pass a slew of new regulations-instituting a minimum wage increase, freezing the market price of "necessary" goods, instating tax relief on agricultural activities, increasing government pensions, and even establishing new state institutions, including the National Institute of Housing and an Industrial Development Fund.

But Perez was a close ally of the US government, so there was little controversy from Washington.

Ten years later, in May 1984, Congress again gave authority to the President, this time Jaime Lusinchi, to deal with the country's financial crisis by decree. He enacted a complicated exchange scheme, which was different for various sectors. For example, he extended a fixed exchange rate (4.3 bolivars to the dollar) for the payment of foreign debt and for Venezuelan students studying abroad; a second rate (6 bolivars to the dollar) for trade in the oil and iron industries; and a third (7.5 to 1) for the commercial and financial sectors. A fourth, "fluctuating dollar," constantly changing by market forces, was in use for everything else.

Nobody balked at all this, certainly not on the international scene. Lusinchi is remembered for hosting the first-ever visit of a Pope to Venezuela, and left office a few years later with what at the time was the highest approval ratings of an outgoing Venezuelan president.

In 1993, interim President Ramon Jose Velasquez used these special "decree" powers to retool the country's debt and reform the financial system. Once again, nobody-well, nobody remembers much about Velasquez at all. He was sort of a historical footnote, serving only 8 months in office.

So why all the finger-wagging, hand-wringing and label-slinging this time around? In short: because it's Chavez. The Bush administration has long been on a campaign to brand him a despot. His influence throughout Latin America is seen as a threat to U.S. power in the region, and after failed attempts to overthrow him by force, sabotage the nation's economy, and finance opposition parties, the label game is the last arrow they have in their increasingly feeble anti-Chavez quiver.
(snip)
These Venezuelan Presidents were just copacetic with the U.S. Couldn't be finer! Thanks for your link.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:20 PM
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20. The objections set-out by Washington are ironic as hell
concerning Chevez's govt., the govt. that bushco tried to overthrow:

"Washington has objected to Chavez's crackdown on free media and civil rights groups, and says democratic institutions under his rule have been marginalized. Chavez is expected to be granted powers this week to issue decrees without parliamentary approval - a move that has been criticized by Venezuelan opposition parties as a step towards totalitarianism."


Chevez must have read bush's new rules on governing; media, democratic institutions...... sheesh
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 04:23 PM
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21. Chavez is only a threat to the corporate robber barons who want to freely pillage
third world nations.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 05:02 PM
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23. Truth is, he's a threat to global vampire capitalism.
He's actually for democratizing his economy. That is what they will never say out loud. I do have concerns with his power grab and I hope he realizes the consequences will be everlasting if his scheme fails. The market fundies already say socialism has never succeeded wherever tried.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 05:19 PM
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24. Time to do lotsa reading for those who believe that. It's much easier now
that there are some documents which have been declassified, throwing light on events our own government-pleasing media chose not to share with us. (They should all look up "Otto Reich" who was in charge of media control for Ronald Reagan, in the "Office of Public Diplomacy," who got in trouble for his illegal propaganda management.)

Socialism didn't FAIL. It was murdered, over years and years of covert ops, CIA work behind everyone's back, buying up Chile's largest newspaper, a parallel to the N.Y. Times, and pumping out the U.S. view of news 24/7 to Chile for years and years, creating strikes which crippled economies (see Nixon's charge "make Chile's economy scream") and on and on and on.

Ignorance is no excuse these days.

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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:33 PM
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25. GWB is proven a threat to American and every other democracy
or democracy pretender. IMPEACH GEORGE W BUSH NOW.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:34 PM
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26. The Threat of a "Good Example"
Nothing would be worse for the ceo "dictators" of major coorperations than a country that can exist independantly without them.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:35 PM
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27. Is anybody listening to these idiots anymore?
Honestly, they seem to think people are buying this crap!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:49 PM
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28. A democratically-elected president is a threat to democracy ...
says the Administration of a man appointed president after election fraud.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:03 PM
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29. (Fill-in the blank) is a threat to (multiple choice: freedom, democracy, God)
So what does our Dr. Goebbels have to say today about our many "enemies"?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:11 PM
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30. Populism a threat to Democracy! Ha ha ha ha....
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:21 PM
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32. "Democracy" being the domination of the rich and powerful
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 11:22 PM by Unvanguard
with nominal elections every few years.

When the masses interfere, instead of being content to choose between different oppressors, naturally the result is "undemocratic" according to that conception.

But the funniest part is that this is John Negroponte. John Negroponte... talking about threats to democracy.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:20 PM
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31. I am about as interested in Negroponte's idea of what is a 'threat to democracy'
. . . as I am in Al Capone's idea of what is a threat to law and order.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:21 PM
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33. While they were on the subject. . . .
Did they mention GWB or Cheney being threats to Democracy?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:28 PM
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34. Ironic outburst from Mr. Deathsquad.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:57 AM
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35. Bellicose BULLSHIT from Death Squad John
Can't believe US sheeple are gullible enough to believe this tripe, but they are. :puke:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:37 AM
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36. "Reagan & the Salvadoran Baby Skulls" by Robert Parry
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:26 AM
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37. Could be a step forward. Your first article links to this new Washington Post article.
It's almost miraculous to see this appearing in that newspaper these days!



Former guerrilla Benito Chica Argueta, stepping out of a cave that hid the rebels' Radio
Venceremos, now says ideology played no role in his decision to take up arms.

Photo Credit: By Manuel Roig-franzia -- The Washington Post
Former Salvadoran Foes Share Doubts on War
Fifteen Years Later, Problems of Poverty Remain at Forefront

By Manuel Roig-Franzia
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, January 29, 2007; Page A01

SAN MIGUEL, El Salvador -- José Wilfredo Salgado says he collected baby skulls as trophies in the 1980s, when he fought as a government soldier in El Salvador's civil war. They worked well as candleholders, he recalls, and better as good-luck charms.

In the most barbaric chapters of a conflict that cost more than 75,000 lives, he enthusiastically embraced the scorched-earth tactics of his army bosses, even massacres of children, the elderly, the sick -- entire villages.

It was all in the name of beating back communism, Salgado, now the mayor of San Miguel, said he remembers being told.

But as El Salvador commemorates the 15th anniversary of the war's end this month, Salgado is haunted by doubts about what he saw, what he did and even why he fought. A 12-year U.S.-backed war that was defined at the time as a battle over communism is now seen by former government soldiers such as Salgado, and by former guerrillas, as less a conflict about ideology and more a battle over poverty and basic human rights.

"We soldiers were tricked -- they told us the threat was communism," Salgado said as bodyguards with pistols tucked into their waistbands hovered nearby at his home, ringed by barbed wire. "But I look back and realize those weren't communists out there that we were fighting -- we were just poor country people killing poor country people."
(snip)

We gave our blood, we killed our friends and, in the end, things are still bad," said Salgado, who has served three terms as mayor of El Salvador's second-largest city. "Look at all this poverty, and look how the wealth is concentrated in just a few hands."
(snip/...)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/28/AR2007012801353.html

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Thanks so much for this material. Maybe the truth will still get out one day.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:35 PM
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58. Niiice. n/t
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 07:41 AM
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38. They are scared spitless about the Bolivarian Revolution coming to Mexico
A populist revolution on their southern doorstep is the last thing the US administration wants, and it it becoming very probable.
Here's my analysis of why that is likely to happen within the next five years: Mexico on the brink.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 08:17 AM
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40. Thanks for posting this info. We had heard trade agreements had
started destroying generations-old family corn growing, and these people were left without income, many having to try to find work in the U.S.

Pretty damned sad when one country dumps it's highly subsidized crops on another, ruins the others' peoples' livelihoods, then tries to bar the door when they attempt to enter to find work for their survival, when they HAD work before the trade agreements. Simply hideous.

Very helpful post.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:43 AM
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41. As long as Chavez keeps it south
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 10:44 AM by Mudoria
of the Rio Grande I couldn't care less what he does in Venezuela.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:04 PM
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45. Why keep it away from us?
We could use some nationalizing of our resources. We need to remove power away from the monied elites, and return it to the people. We need to bridle capitalism, to ensure it's fairness to all.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 11:14 AM
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43. Maybe the American style of "democracy."
In which a super-rich minority has all the power.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:07 PM
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46. I think what he means to say is...
Chavez is a threat because of democracy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:19 PM
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47. I can't wait to hear how Hugo will cap Death Squads.
They reran his hearing this morning on CSPAN and I had to turn it off. Why do they keep recycling this loathsome felon? Are we not turning out new ones fast enough?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:32 PM
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50. Loathsome felon?
:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:39 PM
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51. I meant to say murderous bastard, sorry.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:08 PM
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55. You surely wouldn't want to call that reeking piece of vicious filth any names that don't glorify
him, would you? Can't have that!

We've got to treat the murderous, evil scum with the respect they insist they deserve.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:58 PM
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60. You know what made me turn off that hearing? His family was there
WHICH MEANS HE HAS REPRODUCED.

:hi:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:24 PM
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61. Argh. After reading your post, I looked him up, found a photo
Edited on Wed Jan-31-07 04:25 PM by Judi Lynn
not that many people would want to carry around in their wallets:


Are you sitting down? This load from The Sunday Times:
Tall, patrician and with an English wife from a landed family, the 65- year-old “diplomat’s diplomat” confounds most stereotypes of American envoys. Fluent in five languages, including Vietnamese, he has adopted five Honduran children.
(snip)

(PATRICIAN? :eyes: )

Negroponte is married to Diana, an academic and former society hostess whose father was Sir Charles Villiers, chairman of British Steel. But Negroponte’s Anglophilia has its limits, Greenstock implied: “He has no hang-ups about the Anglo connection, as some Americans do. But I’ve learnt never to count on sentiment for England when dealing with senior Americans. You have to earn your access and responses on merit.”

The Negropontes had been married for five years and were based in Honduras when they decided to adopt. Children, the ambassador said in a rare interview, “kept me young”. He also explained why the couple opted to adopt all five from the same country: “These children were all orphans. Life was going to be complicated enough without having siblings from all over the world. Adopting them from the same country ensured they would have a natural bond to each other.”
(snip)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-1491501,00.html

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Doesn't this remind you of the military officers in the junta rule in Argentina who shopped the suspected leftist prisoners in their prisons for the pregnant ones, forced them to deliver their babies, took the babies, then slaughtered the mothers?

They did this so many times, there is that organization in Argentina of the grandmothers whose pregnant daughters were murdered, who are desperate to find out what the hell happened to their grandchildren after the women were murdered.

Isn't this goddawful? Shows you right-wingers all see a silver lining in every cloud. You can kill the moms, but get free kids! :woohoo:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 04:46 PM
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62. This man makes Hannibal Lector look like Pollyanna.
Those poor kids. Someday, they're going to find out what they are living with and that's going to be one bad day. :(
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:31 PM
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49. NPR reported this morning that Chavez wants to amend their
Constitution to remove presidential term limits so he can run over and over again. I don't like the sound of that. If Bush* can get his desired outcome in elections here, I suspect it could be just as easy in Venenzuela.
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michaelwb Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 12:54 PM
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52. From the Neo-Con Wikipedia
Democracy: Foreign Government that puts the interests of US Corporations above that of its own people

Dictatorship: Foreign Government that puts the interests of its own people above that of US Corporations.

Knowing is half the battle...
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:02 PM
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53. Ah yes, John Negroponte
With him, up is down, black is white. Whatever he says, the opposite is true. Hell is waiting for this man.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:13 PM
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54. only a coup would restore democracy
:sarcasm:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:13 PM
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56. Bull shit Death squad Johnny, bullll shittttt
nt!
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:22 PM
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57. They don't realize that their "Chavez is an Enemy" policy, turns Chavez into an even greater enemy.
It is self fulfilling. And in doing so, it allows Venazuela to forge strong relationships with countries like China and Iran.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:42 PM
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59. Fuck negroponte and his
fascistass.

And fuck bush and his goddamn powergrabs.
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