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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:01 PM
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Two Senior Iraqi Generals Eyed in Brazen Attack on U.S. Soldiers
Two senior Iraqi generals are being questioned in connection with last week's attack in Karbala that left five U.S. soldiers dead, Pentagon officials told FOX News Thursday.

Military officials also said the level of sophistication of the attack — where militants posed as U.S. soldiers to pass a number of security checkpoints — suggested possible Iranian involvement.

The assault was carried out by nine to 12 militants wearing new U.S. military fatigues and traveling in black GMC Suburban vehicles — the type used by U.S. government convoys. U.S. officials said the imposters had American weapons and spoke English.

The raid, as explained by Iraqi and American officials, began after nightfall at about 6 p.m. on Jan. 20, while American military officers were meeting with their Iraqi counterparts on the main floor of the Provisional Joint Coordination Center (PJCC) in Karbala.

more:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,249403,00.html
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:03 PM
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1. Gosh, I wonder if the Iraqi's want us there?
/sarcasm
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:05 PM
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2. I wonder if they'll torture them until they cop to being Iranian?
Or working with some group of obscure and unreachable Persians. :eyes:

Either way, the Iraqi Army can NOT be trusted.

GET OUR PEOPLE OUT OF THERE NOW!!!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:07 PM
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3. Regardless of whether or not Iran is involved
it appears that the guys we are training are turning on us. This sounds rather ominous to me. I'm afraid it's all leading to a Lebanon-Marine Barracks style massacre in which a large number of our people are killed or wounded. Such a disaster would practically force the US out of Iraq but in my opinion is too high a price to pay.
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:53 PM
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11. They're not turning on us - many have never been "with us"
My bro-in-law and his group train these guys by day, and dodge bullets from some of the same guys at night. He says it has been this way ever since he got there.

mikey_the_rat
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 10:52 AM
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17. It has always been something of a misnomer to call them "insurgents",
as that connotes that they were once satisfied with U.S. occupation and then turned against it.

Better term, I would say, is Iraqi resistance.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:08 PM
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4. Sounds more like CIA than Iran - black GMC's with US arms and uniforms
Not that our gov't would do something like that just to make sure they have a reason to start bombing Iran. Just like they aren't filling the airways with Iran is doing this, Iran is doing that - we may have to bomb them, be ready, they're a threat. We could win in Iraq if not for Iran

Remember the good old days? When the King wanted to go to war, he rode at the FRONT of the line and actually led the troops into battle and inspired them with his personal bravery? Something tells me it made the King take a more realistic look at the potential battlefield before making that commitment.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 05:13 PM
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12. false flag op?
There's been some chatter on various sources like
http://www.iraq-war.ru/

that this operation reeks of a false-flag mission, possible conducted by Mossad or CIA or both. How do you sneak in these vehicles is one thing.

If it was bona fide enemy 'special' forces, the Pentagon isn't going to win this war very soon against troops like this. Because this probably took a lot of insider info to plan the attack.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 10:59 AM
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18. Neil Sheehan, in a "Bright Shining Lie" (about Vietnam) reports
that the National Liberation Front armed itself from 1954-62 mostly with arms captured from forces of the U.S. puppet regime of Diem. So I would not be surprised either way, i.e., false flag operation or resistance operation.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 07:59 AM
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19. and believing the stories from the Pentagon
is another matter in this war.

If a bunch of GMC Suburbans were stolen and used in the attack, then it would stand to reason it was from IR. It would be hard to keep those big cars hiding away for a one-time blitzkrieg operation like that.

Would I believe something if the Pentagon reported it, and it was not backed up from independent journalists or secondary sources? Most likely not.

Would the Pentagon purposely kill its own troops for its own diabolical plans? Definitely I believe so.


I believe the Pentagon is losing helicopters, because the reports are coming from different sources. I don't believe the initial reports of this attack using GMC Suburbans, unless there are secondary sources.




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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:14 PM
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5. Do you have a better source than Fox Noise? n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:15 PM
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6. no other sources
have been searching...looks like a Faux exclusive
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 05:47 PM
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14. which makes me highly suspicious
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:39 PM
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7. Here's the "quote of the day":
Because high-level generals were possibly involved, the Pentagon said, raises questions about the loyalty and trustworthiness of Iraqi military officers at the highest levels.

Would those be the Iraqi military officials leading the Baghdad effort which our "surge" is supporting?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:41 PM
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9. . . . .
I am speechless.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:41 PM
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8. But....but...but...
Chimpy said there was a possibility that there was a remote chance that one of these Generals knew someone who had once spoken to a friend of an Iranian..
which makes the IRANIANS responsible...
Time to invade..
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Jonathan50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:51 PM
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10. Accents
Nowhere has it been mentioned just what sort of accent the English was supposedly spoken with.

It seems to me that the particular accent would be a very important clue.

I wonder why this detail is being left out of the story?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 05:20 PM
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13. "suggested possible Iranian involvement"
Because it takes the support of a nation to change uniforms and sneak into a place.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 05:55 PM
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15. That's why I love DU.
You get the matter boiled down for you in plain simple terms. But what you said is exactly what they are asserting. This is even weaker than the runup to the Iraq war.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 10:36 AM
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16. "involvement of Iraqi generals in an attack on American forces raises questions..."
"At least one of the Iraqi generals under suspicion for involvement or having advance word of the attack is said to be an intelligence officer, according to U.S. officials. If that's proven to be the case, the involvement of Iraqi generals in an attack on American forces raises questions about the loyalty and trustworthiness of Iraqi military officers at the highest levels."

Ya THINK? What a mess. Even as they battle such conditions as these, they lustily pursue an Iranian "threat"? A. Mess.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 08:06 AM
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20. Let me guess, these Generals will soon be said to have been proxies for Iran?
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