International divisions over death penalty

Manix

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Tue Dec-16-03 01:57 AM
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International divisions over death penalty

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The immediate fate of Saddam Hussein has become bogged down in a legal quagmire while nations compete with each other over the proposed terms of his trial.

While the Iraqis are insisting that he should be tried in a Baghdad court by his own people, there is growing pressure for an international tribunal where the 66-year-old deposed dictator would not face the death penalty.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=473739

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JailBush

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Tue Dec-16-03 02:05 AM
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1. Only his victims should have a say.

I'd suggest a trial by Iraqis, Kurds and Iranians.

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Devils Advocate NZ

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Tue Dec-16-03 02:10 AM
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2. What about the Kuwaitis?

Or any of the member nations who had soldiers killed while on active service in Iraq during the first Gulf War and after?

It seems to me that an international tribunal is the only way to ensure justice for all... including Hussein.

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JailBush

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Tue Dec-16-03 02:34 AM
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4. Yeah, the Kuwaitis.

But nations who lost people to "peace-keeping missios" - which were largely orchestrated by the U.S. and therefore phony - should take a back seat to the nations who lost THOUSANDS of citizens.

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Paschall

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Tue Dec-16-03 09:41 AM
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6. The victims of crimes in Afghanistan...

Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 09:42 AM by Paschall

...aren't being allowed to face their alleged perpetrators in Guantanamo. Or have the Al-Qaeda, Taliban, and others in Guantanamo all been cleared of suspicion for crimes committed in Afghanistan?

If the trial is Iraqi, the problem is that the country will have to write laws to try Saddam under. At least that's what I understand. That means trying and (certainly) convicting him on ex post facto statutes, in other words writing the law to fit the crime.

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NIGHT TRIPPER

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Tue Dec-16-03 02:30 AM
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3. Saddam- placed in power by the U.S.- then would U.S. share some blame

Couldn't a trial ultimately implicate former and current members of our own government?
If Saddam is executed then wouldn't it follow that they should also execute the higher ups in the U.S. who placed him in power and supplied him with all sorts of weapons and strategies.

Poppy Bush knew of and encouraged the elimination of Kurds and war with Iran.
Fair is Fair.
Put "read my lips" on trial right along side Saddam.

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JailBush

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Tue Dec-16-03 02:54 AM
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5. Bless you.

You wrote, "Couldn't a trial ultimately implicate former and current members of our own government? If Saddam is executed then wouldn't it follow that they should also execute the higher ups in the U.S. who placed him in power and supplied him with all sorts of weapons and strategies."

Gee, isn't logic a dangerous thing? If a jury also determined that these "higher ups" defrauded U.S. citizens, damaged democracy and the environment, etc., then they'd have little choice but deliver the ultimate sentence, wouldn't they?

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