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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:16 PM
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New Democratic Group Finances Republican-like Attack on Dean
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 09:58 PM by elad
Is this how we beat Bush?

December 16, 2003
NEW DEMOCRATIC GROUP FINANCES A REPUBLICAN-LIKE ATTACK ON DEAN.
By Jim Rutenberg

A new Democratic group that is running advertisements against Howard Dean and has not yet disclosed its sources of financing has introduced the toughest commercial of the primary election season.
...
The spot opens with a Time magazine cover featuring Osama bin Laden as synthesizer music seemingly out of a post-apocalyptic science fiction movie is heard.
As the camera focuses on Mr. bin Laden's eyes. the following words flash on the screen: "Dangerous World," "Destroy Us," "Dangers Ahead" and "No Experience."

full article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/16/politics/campaigns/16ATTA.html

EDITED BY ADMIN FOR COPYRIGHT REASONS
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:18 PM
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1. Do you think I can get my money back
from the DNC?
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:21 PM
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2. My freeper brother was just in DC with some Rethug bigwigs and they
are all having the time of their lives watching the Democrats beat up on each other...
"Let 'em...saves us the trouble and expense of doing it" lauughs my brother...
Man, how hard can it be to focus on the real problem of Curious George, the Little Dictator??
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Dean is a repugnant candidate. George Wallacelike in his insistance
of states rights, libertarianism, appeasment of the NRA and the Confederate flag.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:34 PM
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8. Gosh, you so accurately capture Dean and his positions
:eyes:
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Nice try.
Keep up the bad work.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
29. Your OTT slurs & smears are Rovianly annoying. (nm)
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belab13 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:31 PM
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34. a little destabilizing but in the long run, I don't think it will hurt the
primary mission of sacking Bush*.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:36 PM
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10. Yup, I'm afraid that, once again, the dems will shoot themselves in
the foot. This is really sick, and hurts all the Dems, because it brings the party down to the level of the Repukes.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:25 PM
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3. The Democrats should change their name
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 12:27 PM by deutsey
to the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad.

If you recall from Monty Python's "Life of Brian", the JPF's suicide squad came to rescue Brian from crucifixion by attacking the Romans...only their "attack" ultimately consists of commiting suicide.

That'll show 'em...

:evilfrown:

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:35 PM
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9. I thought they were the...
People's Front of Judea? :evilgrin:

This ad is reprehensible. I don't care how much someone hates Dean. Are some following their corporate masters' orders in generating such a propagandistic attack on a fellow Democrat (actually, I think 'fellow' is the wrong word...I don't think the originators of this ad should claim to be Democrats anymore...).

And hell, I haven't honestly decided on a candidate yet, and will not be deciding for some time. I just find that Democrats using Rovian tactics on other Democrats to be way, way beyond the bounds of primary politics. The people who did this ad are either Republican collaborators, or Useful Idiots.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:37 PM
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11. Yes, the dreared People's Front of Judea--wait, WE'RE the People's
front of Judea!

Yup, try to figure out who the real enemy is, you twits.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:47 PM
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13. You are so right
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 12:52 PM by wryter2000
Those ads and that website are a disgrace. I only hope the other candidates don't have anything to do with them. I can't support someone who would do such a thing. Disgusting.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:25 PM
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4. Wait a minute - how do we know for sure it's a democratic group?
It sounds mighty like republican dirty tricks a la the Nader campaign in 2000, when they ran ads for Nader against the democrats.

Rove is behind this, I'd offer good odds.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:30 PM
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6. Rove's got some pretty odd friends, then...
From the New York Times

"The group's president, Edward F. Feighan, a former Ohio congressman, donated $2,000 to the campaign of Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri, records show, and its treasurer, David Jones, has worked as a fund-raiser for Mr. Gephardt. Its spokesman, Robert Gibbs, recently resigned as the press secretary for Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, another presidential candidate."

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:51 PM
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17. Besides
Wasn't there some unpleasantness in the Kerry campaign recently when some people resigned or were fired? This could be a disgruntled former employee. I can't believe John Kerry would be involved in something like this.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:49 PM
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15. I think you're right
It certainly sounds like Rove. I hope it isn't any of us. I wish Kerry and Gephardt would distance themselves from it.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:29 PM
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33. Well it's definitely Republicanish in its attack and MO
but lately we've had that sort of an infiltration in the Democratic Party. All hail to the DLC and its ties to the AEI- PNAC occupying the 5th floor of the AEI.

If Rove has anything to do with this its because his front people are already in our party.
It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

Reposting from an earlier post:

America is at a crossroads, facing perhaps the most important Presidential election in a generation. That’s why Americans for Jobs, Healthcare and Progressive Values was formed.

Our mission is to inform and educate citizens as to the various presidential candidates’ stands on critical issues facing American families related to jobs, healthcare and progressive values.

The Honorable Edward F. Feighan, President

"About Us"

Former Congressman Edward Feighan is the President of Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values. He is also currently the Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of ProCentury Corporation, the parent of the Century Insurance Group based in Columbus, Ohio. The Century Insurance Group is a specialty-lines insurer, writing commercial property/casualty insurance for niche markets nationwide, operating in 49 States and has annual gross premiums of approximately $175 million. Mr. Feighan has served as member of the board of directors of ProCentury since October, 2000.

Mr. Feighan served 20 consecutive years in elected office beginning in 1972. He served as a State Representative for six years, a Cuyahoga County Commissioner for four years, and as member of the United States House of Representatives for ten years. Congressman Feighan has been recognized as a leading authority on foreign policy and international trade and finance.

Since departing Congress in 1993, Congressman Feighan has served as a member of the Commission on Privatization in Russia; the U.S. Commission for Improving the United Nations; the Board of Trustees of the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs; the National Council of International Programs; and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum.

From 1996 to 1998, Mr. Feighan served as the Senior Vice President, founding President, CEO and director of Century Business Services, Inc. (NASDAQ: CBIZ). Century Business Services was recognized as the Best Growth Company in Ohio in 1999 by the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

Mr. Feighan is also a founding partner of American Foreign Capital Partners (AFCAP). Maintaining offices in Cleveland, Ohio and St. Petersburg, Russia, AFCAP represents several multi-national businesses in the former Soviet Union. From 1998 until Mr. Feighan joined the senior management of Century Insurance Group, he served as the Managing Partner of Alliance Financial, Limited, a Cleveland, Ohio-based firm specializing in mergers, acquisitions and merchant banking services.


http://www.progressivevalues.com/default.asp?ID=3

====
Welcome to the Soros paid ads. Expect many more.

Edward F. Feighan was Bill Clinton's campaign Communications Director who got pretty close to Hillary at the Institute for Policy Studies
http://www.ips-dc.org/index.htm

It was Edward F. Feighan who introduced the Brady Bill in the House in 1987 as the NRA campaigned heavily against the gun control issue. http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Aborn1.html

George Stephanopoulos was his Administrative Assistant and later his Chief of Staff.
http://63.147.65.175/books/chap0411b.htm

Served on the Clinton Administration: Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/dward/classes/congpres/sim00.html


Neo-cons
vs
Centrists
vs
Progressives
vs
Corporations
vs
sincere, confused people, who don't have a clue about what's really going on
-----------

My theory? Soros and his 15 million. Soros never makes an investment he's not going to recoup handsomely. Hang on to your hats boys because Soros is furious at Putin right now for locking up his mafia oil buddy in Russia, shutting down Soros' "Democratic operations" that were financing the same kind of Democracy the National Endowment for Democracy is trying to bring to Venezuela (oil) and sternly warned Soros and Bush to stay the hell out of the Caspian Sea area not try that little stunt they pulled in Georgia with Shevernadze again (oil).

Meanwhile Soros' Democratic Think Tanks to "oust Bush" and replace him with a kindler, gentler Bush are gaining a foot-hold.

Nope, Rove is not really behind this one. Rove collaborators maybe but the enemy is within.

Ah, the benevolence of philanthropists wanting Democratic Reform working with such progressive organizations as the DLC with its ties to the AEI.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 04:02 PM
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38. We are playing a game
but unknown to us, the rules have been changed. It is not really the Dems vs the Repubs. It is the haves vs the have nots. And the haves are walking away with the ballgame because the have nots are still fighting each other along party lines and among candidate camps.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 07:00 PM
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42. Progressivevalues.com
is an empty website, other than a couple of pages of attacks against Dean.

Articulatebabble.org has some more info:

"OKAY, POLITICAL MONEY buffs, itÕs time for a game of connect-the-dots.

The machinists union endorses Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.). The machinists union makes a ÒsignificantÓ contribution to Americans for Jobs, Healthcare and Progressive Values (AJHPV), according to union political director Richard Michalski. The same AJHPV, a new organization, runs television ads in Iowa and elsewhere attacking former Vermont governor Howard Dean. Mr. Dean is Mr. GephardtÕs leading rival for votes in the Iowa Democratic caucuses.

With us so far? Then continue: Leo Hindery, a cable television executive, is a national finance co-chair of the Gephardt campaign. Mr. Hindery is also a backer of AJHPV. The organizationÕs chief fundraiser is a former Gephardt fundraiser, David Jones. Its president, Edward F. Feighan, a former Ohio congressman, has given the maximum $2,000 to the Gephardt campaign."

The progressivevalues.com registrant is Yellow Dog Interactive Corp (yellowdoginteractive.com). Run by Timothy L. Raftis, who managed Tom Harkens presidential bid. His dog is named Truman (!) Raftis was head of AJHPV until Feighan took over. Robert Gibbs, former spokesman of the Kerry campaign is now the official AJHPV spokesman. They are spending $400,000 to attack Dean in IA, NH and SC, but won't disclose where the money is coming from.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:40 PM
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36. Tim Raftis
is the original President of the group...Raftis has done work for Democrats for decades and now is reported to be supporting Clark...who may or may not be a Democrat...oh, I don't want to go down that road again.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:31 PM
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7. As was posted earlier
this Congressman who is the president of this thing was a crook who passed a bunch of bad checks and even though he had a "D" after his name his actions speak to the type of person who can be bought by anyone.

The Republicans are smart. They play dirty and they play for keeps. When will we realize that?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:38 PM
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12. Democrat my ass.
The gloves are off early this time around.
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dread Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:51 PM
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18. democratic ties?
Feighan was also ex-president Clintons Communication director.

the cultural elite have been looking into this also.

http://www.theculturalelite.com/archives/001255.html
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:11 PM
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20. You can argue about it.
I know who this bozo is, he's a DINO. He is
fascinating to google up.

The real dichotomy here is inside the beltway
vs outside the beltway, things as they are vs things
as they could be, corporate rule vs rule of the people.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:49 PM
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16. These Bush-lite Democrats can kiss my asses


Donate to Dean to stop these closet republicans.
http://www.DeanforAmerica.com

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 12:58 PM
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19. Wasted money.
That should be spent attacking aWol.

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Frangible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:13 PM
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21. wow, that's productive
You'd think they'd be more concerned about getting Dumbya out in 04.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 01:55 PM
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22. Republicans in Dems' clothing.
Whoever is behind this needs to be accurately labelled as anti-Democratic. If it DOES involve any of the declared Dem candidates, or current Democratic officeholders, once this is revealed, they need to be hounded.

Such ads are doing the GOP's work for them, and much more-effectively than ads the GOP puts on. If it turns out that GOP politicos are actually those behind this (with one ex-DEM ex-officeholder as a front), that would need to be the focus of a future ad campaign.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:07 PM
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23. Damn these democratic corporate prostitutes!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:08 PM
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24. Article from Cleveland Plain Dealer
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1071570605109470.xml

Ed Feighan, the former Cleveland-area congressman who left Washington during the House banking scandal, is involved in politics - and controversy - again.

<snip>

But the group is disclosing little else about itself, including the source of the $500,000 it says it has spent on commercials.

<snip>

David Jones, treasurer for Americans for Jobs, said the group will disclose its donors when required, at the end of January. Until then, he said, "I'm not going to say who the supporters are."

Americans for Jobs registered Nov. 14 with the Internal Revenue Service under IRS Section 527 provisions, saying it would "engage in election-related activity for the purpose of supporting jobs and health-care issues."

<snip>

Feighan served in Congress from 1982 through 1992. He did not run for re-election after the House bank scandal, when it was disclosed he had 397 overdraft checks and carried a negative balance for eight months.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:17 PM
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25. I thought it was a GOP ad...
when I first saw it. I missed the tagline claiming credit. Not that it matters, it *is* a pro-Bush campaign ad.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:28 PM
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26. This made Rush Limbaugh's day...
Listening to him a few minutes ago (out of curiosity - wondering if he'd grace DU again today), he read this story and chortled wildly.

See what I mean about the intra-candidate infighting that only serves to aid and abet our opponents? Let this be a lesson to the ABD crowd...
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 02:30 PM
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27. Enough to make me vote for Nader (almost)
'04 might be over before we even get there.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:01 PM
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28. Is it possible that this is run by the Democratic Leadership?
That was my first thought when I saw this.
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freethought23 Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Mine, too.
That suggests Clinton involvement.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:38 PM
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35. That is not too much a stretch to believe
They both have no good words for any candidate which is not backed by the DLC. The general democratic party seems to be out here on its own in this election with the Leadership having another agenda which does not include us.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:47 PM
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37. WASHINGTON POLITICIANS BE GONE...
The Tea is in the Harbor - hate ads and hate mail and hate speech won't stop the Dean Machine. This 527 is money wasted - money that could be spent beating Bush rather that trying to keep their DC insider jobs secure.
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BellTry Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 04:19 PM
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39. You can bet your ass
at least some Clark supporters are in on it. Not exactly "democratic leadership" people, but "democrats" regardless.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. So some 'bigwigs' in Washington
Keep their jobs with '*' in the White House and we lose our Country. Great, no really, thanks for sticking it to America!
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:16 PM
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30. More interesting info
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 03:17 PM
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31. disingenuous crap....
Edited on Tue Dec-16-03 03:18 PM by Triana
Excuse me but Duhhhbya had NO foreign policy experience when he was court-appointed either. He hasn't exactly been successful at it, furthermore.

Whatta buncha hooey! I'm not certain this isn't a Republican or some other sort of DINO attack.

Regardless, the Dem candidates would do much better to attack Bu$h than each other. Somebody needs to get their ego out of the way and get their priorities in order...


edit: or the DLC - which sux IMO. They're as bad as the Rethugs, almost.
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 05:51 PM
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41. Why would you show a picture of Bin Laden
to prove Bush is better at foreign policy? Uh, didn't Osama get away? Why don't they just show a picture of Anthrax to show how good Bush is at domestic policy?

http://www.unembedded.com
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 08:08 PM
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43. SOS
Per DU copyright rules
please post only 4
paragraphs from the
news source.


Thank you.

DU Moderator
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 09:49 PM
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44. Sorry
Will do so in future posts.
sos
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-03 10:01 PM
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45. These new fangled media whores make it so confusing
They think that every complete sentence constitutes a whole paragraph. It is hard to keep to DU rules while trying to make the news post meaningful in only four sentences.

Since when did this one sentence per paragraph in our media become the rule?
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