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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:24 AM
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Moscow asks U.S. for clarification following Gates remark about Russia’s future
MOSCOW — Moscow has asked the United States for a clarification following remarks in which U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates suggested that Russia’s future course is uncertain and lumped the nation together with Iran and North Korea, the Foreign Ministry said Monday.

--SNIP--

Gates ruffled Russian feathers when he identified Russia as a potential threat, telling a U.S. House of Representatives committee meeting last week: “We don’t know what’s going to develop in places like Russia and China, in North Korea, in Iran and elsewhere.”

Russia has asked the United States to clarify whether the remark corresponds with the position of the U.S. administration, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The remark was among several by members of the U.S. military and intelligence community that “cause us bewilderment,” it said.

“It is hard to avoid the impression that all these statements are part of a certain system of negative evaluations of our country. The question is how much this reflects real U.S. policy,” the ministry said.

Russian officials resent being juxtaposed with countries that U.S. President George W. Bush included in his “axis of evil,” as well as what they took as a suggestion that Russia is an unpredictable wild card — part of the international security problem, rather than part of the solution.

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http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=5b26df39-7dc0-48d6-861c-0ee74fb770af&k=99950
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:28 AM
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1. wow
Gates really wants the US to get nuked huh? The Russian communists are gearing up for the 08 elections and looking strong. Bush may have a whole lot more to worry about than Venezuela and Korea if he doesn't watch it. These people amaze me with their stupidity.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:42 AM
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2. oh you can bet it was calculated n/t
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:48 AM
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3. The "War Party" needs enemies to justify their existence. Looks as though
they are going for the 'big plum'.

The fearmongering should be fully revved up by Nov. 2008.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:23 PM
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10. Endless wars demand endless enemies
at home and abroad. There is no denying that America is being run by a dictatorship.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:41 PM
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7. Wow. If Russians elect the communists...whoa.
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:21 PM
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9. yeah, the communists aren't going to regain power in russia.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:24 AM
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21. Not alone
The one I'm worried about is Putin, he's been steadily consolidating power to himself alone for some time now, if he makes common cause with the communists all bets on that go out the window.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:23 AM
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20. That would be one hell of a legacy
Bush: the Man who Brought Back the Soviet Union
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:53 AM
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23. Hmm.
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 09:55 AM by TheLastMohican
Russian communists are nowhere to be seen. Russian Communist party is enjoying a 4% support at its best time.
What we have is Russian capitalists finally learning how to do business "the American way". Time to cut and run.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:50 AM
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4. isn't Dr. Condi our local Sovietologist -- show your competence Condi
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:10 PM
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5. Nuclear Posture Review [Excerpts]
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/policy/dod/npr.htm


"Due to the combination of China's still developing strategic objectives and its ongoing modernization of its nuclear and non nuclear forces, China is a country that could be involved in an immediate or potential contingency." (p. 16-17)

"Russia maintains the most formidable nuclear forces, aside from the United States, and substantial, if less impressive, conventional capabilities. There now are, however, no ideological sources of conflict with Moscow, as there were during the Cold War. The United States seeks a more cooperative relationship with Russia and a move away from the balance-of-terror policy framework, which by definition is an expression of mutual distrust and hostility. As a. result, a contingency involving Russia, while plausible, is not expected." (p. 17)

(U) "Adjusting U.S. immediate nuclear force requirements in recognition of the changed relationship with Russia is a critical step away from the Cold War policy of mutual vulnerability and toward more cooperative relations.” (p. 17)

(S) "Russia’s nuclear forces and programs, nevertheless, remain a concern. Russia faces many strategic problems around its periphery and its future course cannot be charted with certainty. U.S. planning must take this into account. In the event that U.S. relations with Russia significantly worsen in the future, the U.S. may need to revise its nuclear force levels and posture." (p. 17)


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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:23 PM
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6. Not to worry - Bushco is just finding out that a hot war isn't as much
fun as they thought it would be, so they're trying to re-start the cold war. Nice little arms race, profits for the armaments industries and solidifying of the power base - good for everybody.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 04:28 PM
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8. Find Putin's speech to the 43rd Munich Security Conference linked here:
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 04:33 PM by Ghost Dog
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Ghost%20Dog/52

(by way of context viz-a-viz Gates's remarks).

Note, in particular:

In Russia’s opinion, the militarisation of outer space could have unpredictable consequences for the international community, and provoke nothing less than the beginning of a nuclear era. And we have come forward more than once with initiatives designed to prevent the use of weapons in outer space.

...

And here in Germany I cannot help but mention the pitiable condition of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe.

The Adapted Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe was signed in 1999. It took into account a new geopolitical reality, namely the elimination of the Warsaw bloc. Seven years have passed and only four states have ratified this document, including the Russian Federation.

NATO countries openly declared that they will not ratify this treaty, including the provisions on flank restrictions (on deploying a certain number of armed forces in the flank zones), until Russia removed its military bases from Georgia and Moldova. Our army is leaving Georgia, even according to an accelerated schedule. We resolved the problems we had with our Georgian colleagues, as everybody knows. There are still 1,500 servicemen in Moldova that are carrying out peacekeeping operations and protecting warehouses with ammunition left over from Soviet times. We constantly discuss this issue with Mr Solana and he knows our position. We are ready to further work in this direction.

But what is happening at the same time? Simultaneously the so-called flexible frontline American bases with up to five thousand men in each. It turns out that NATO has put its frontline forces on our borders, and we continue to strictly fulfil the treaty obligations and do not react to these actions at all.

...

Dear ladies and gentlemen!

We are unequivocally in favour of strengthening the regime of non-proliferation. The present international legal principles allow us to develop technologies to manufacture nuclear fuel for peaceful purposes. And many countries with all good reasons want to create their own nuclear energy as a basis for their energy independence. But we also understand that these technologies can be quickly transformed into nuclear weapons.

This creates serious international tensions. The situation surrounding the Iranian nuclear programme acts as a clear example. And if the international community does not find a reasonable solution for resolving this conflict of interests, the world will continue to suffer similar, destabilising crises because there are more threshold countries than simply Iran. We both know this. We are going to constantly fight against the threat of the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

...

In connection with this I would allow myself to make one small remark. It is hardly necessary to incite us to do so. Russia is a country with a history that spans more than a thousand years and has practically always used the privilege to carry out an independent foreign policy.

We are not going to change this tradition today. At the same time, we are well aware of how the world has changed and we have a realistic sense of our own opportunities and potential. And of course we would like to interact with responsible and independent partners with whom we could work together in constructing a fair and democratic world order that would ensure security and prosperity not only for a select few, but for all.

Thank you for your attention.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:44 PM
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11. the admin is still making more friends - sarcasm off
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legerdemain Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 07:41 PM
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12. Putin is bluffing
Russia is in no position to start any trouble now.

Their military is so poorly funded that their troops are turning tricks to pay the bills.


<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6356707.stm>
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:21 PM
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14. idiot king is also bluffing---he has destroyed our military & bankrupted us
BushCo gang must be impeached---all of them. Soon!
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:00 AM
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24. That tactic
of spending so much money on our military that the USSR couldn't keep up and would bankrupt itself worked so well that now the Republics are trying it against the USA so they can "shrink the government so small that they can drown it in the bathtub", as Grover Norquist so eloquently put it!
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:03 PM
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15. Russia still has advanced technology and military might
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:04 PM
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16. welcome to DU
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:33 PM
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17. Soaring gas and oil prices have greatly enriched Russia
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-12-russia-military_x.htm

"Russian defense budgets have been soaring since Putin came to power, buoyed by a rising tide of petroleum income, and are set to jump by 23% in 2007 to a post-Soviet high of $32.4 billion. Moscow does arms business with over 70 countries, including China, Iran, and Venezuela, and in 2006 exported $6 billion worth of arms."

snip

"Last week Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov unveiled a $189 billion rearmament program that will replace about half of Russia's current military equipment by 2015. Among the armed forces' acquisitions will be a completely revamped early-warning radar network, new intercontinental missiles, a fleet of supersonic Tu-160 strategic bombers, and 31 new warships, including aircraft carriers.

Last month Putin offered to partner with India to build a futuristic "fifth generation" fighter plane, which Russian designers say is already under development and could be flying as early as 2009. Only the U.S. has so far managed to field one of these new era combat jets — which have breakthrough capabilities of stealthiness, supersonic cruising, ultramaneuverability and over-the-horizon electronic visibility. And at $260 million per model, the new F/A-22 Raptor is by far the world's most expensive warplane."

Doesn't sound poorly-funded to me at all. So long as oil and natural gas prices remain high (and they will as China and India expand economically), Russia is in for massive profits over the next decade.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:05 AM
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19. They're not out just yet
Putin has been consolidating his hold over the government for some time, it wouldn't surprise me if he found a way to pay for the military. If nothing else, they have a lot of weight they can heft. Russia is always stronger than she looks, anyone who has studied the history of the country knows this much. Russia has always been behind the rest of the world, but when the chips are down the Russian Bear can fight, and fight hard and long. They don't lose often when on the receiving end, and if roused to fight the Russian people have shown a willingness in the past and could easily do the same now to accept any privations for the eventual victory of the Rodina.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 09:03 PM
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13. Undoubtedly true
It is undoubtedly true that Gates "doesn't know what's going to happen" in Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran. He also has no idea what's going to happen in Iraq, but he is quite willing to put our men and women in the middle of a deadly mess to find out what comes next.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 02:02 AM
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18. Let sleeping bears lie
Damn what did this country do to deserve such a bunch of idiots in charge?

If the Bushies antagonize Russia they would do well to remember how many times Russia has lost a war when they were on the receiving end.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:50 AM
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22. So now we're trying for a Russian front. Those always work out so well.
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 09:51 AM by Vidar
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 11:03 AM
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25. If this was between two guys on a street corner, it would be termed as the
"say what?" moment, followed by a mouth full of knuckles.

Gates proves that he's just as stupid as the rest of them.
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