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Doondoo (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 06:41 AM Original message |
Sen. Obama: U.S. must help Israel defend itself |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Special relationship? |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Agree wholeheartedly |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 07:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I agree with the postings. Look at Jimmy Carter when he tried to shed light |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Edwards is coming to town this weekend.... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I second that E-motion.!! |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Perhaps the Senator is just trying to follow the Democratic Party's Platform |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Hate to say it, but with "Hussein" as a middle name ... |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Well said |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. He is parphasing the Democratic Platform |
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Tin Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. Agree - what's so "special" about our relationship? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. "The unshakable foundation of shared values and a mutual" |
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Tin Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. That's odd. We share those same qualities with lots of nations, but *only* Israel is "special" |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. It's just Unjustified Favoritism to me. |
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Tin Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. You won't get any argument from me. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #72 |
101. Other nations |
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saskatoon (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. Hear hear! |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. ....... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Israel has existed in the region for 3,000+ years-since Abraham purchased the cave of Machpelah |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. There is absolutely no proof of any of that except in the Bible. No external proof, at all. |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. The jews have walked the earth for over 3,000 years. This is not disputed. |
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Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. The Palestinians have also been there for more than 3000 years. |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
80. Agreed! n/t |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
85. I'm not speaking froma Biblical perspective, I'm speaking from a historical perspective. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #85 |
114. No, everyone has a right to talk about who gets to live where they live. |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-18-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #114 |
138. Talk about it all you want, it's a free country. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. It is one thing to be proud of your heritage, |
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Paranoid Pessimist (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. If so, so what? The Native Americans existed on this |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I thought we were talking about Jews and Arabs. |
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Paranoid Pessimist (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Good plan, but my parents' ancestors came from a bunch of |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. You are joking about arguing based on "Abraham," right? |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
83. Abraham is a joke? A Myth? I don't think so. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
115. Then prove that they existed. |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
89. Biblical characters are not completely mythological. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
116. Even according to the book you want to claim is historical, you are wrong. |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-18-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #116 |
137. Abraham's origins do not matter. |
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Porcupine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Your mythology impresses nobody. |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
90. Why so uncivil? Did I strike a nerve |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 03:54 AM Response to Reply #90 |
104. screw your damn books. they mean nothing except something to oppose. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 04:31 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I hope you're monitoring your blood pressure |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #104 |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #108 |
136. ROFLMAO n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Such an articulate lad. |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. actually... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
99. By all means |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. yes, I'm bigoted against baseless fairly-tales used as an excuse for killing and torture |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #103 |
118. Be careful or their pissy magical skygod will strike you dead... |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
68. The Jews and the Palestinians both lived there 3,000 years ago ... |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. The Jews existed in the area long before Balfour and the White paper. |
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CRH (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #91 |
110. Are we to search ancient history to justify ... |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
123. We are all Gods children |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
127. Wow-- loooong sub-thread all about the veracity or lack thereof of the book of |
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InkAddict (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. And riddle another |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
31. Our kids are dying for Israel? |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. US unconditional support for Israel... |
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oldtimecanuk (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. Why the hell does Obama keep stepping on his tong? .. |
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youngdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
27. A glaring lack of experience? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 05:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
106. He certainly does NOT have less experience than |
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silvermachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. You are correct... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. He is simply following the Democratic Platform |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
7. Clinton wouldn't concede the black vote to Obama; he won't conced the Jewish vote to her. |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
14. How about looking for ways to get out of the Middle East as a whole? |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. That makes the most sense of all. n/t |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
18. What did Obama say that is so wrong? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. It sounds a lot like the Democratic Platform |
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IronScorpio5 (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
131. Exactly. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
19. Why is it necessary for our politicians to pledge allegiance to Israel? nt |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
20. Ok, here is my take on this. |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I agree |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
30. You are the man Obama! you've got my vote. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. You are the men Clark and Obama! How about a Clark / Obama ticket? |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. I'm happy Obama is pro-Israel. |
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CrazyForKucinich (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Now it makes sense why Obama was out campaiging for Holy Joe |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. What makes sense? That he supports the Democratic Party's Platform? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. double puke |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
82. Lol No Kidding! n/t |
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The Sushi Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
39. Special Relationship?? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. That special relationship is mentioned in the Democratic Platform |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
40. Somebody buy him Jimmy Carters book, quick |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
41. Why do we have a "special" relationship with Israel? |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. The American Jewish lobby is very powerful |
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Amused Musings (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Maybe he actually believes it? |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Could very well be the case |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. But it's our *uncritical* support and poor counsel of Israel that has |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. And they are, you know, strong Democrats |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
65. Wow, that sort of thing belongs on Stormfront. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Oh please! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
129. You accuse them of orchastrating supposedly vast political power |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. why? |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. There are a variety of reasons |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
93. good explanation, thanks n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 05:37 AM Response to Reply #44 |
107. Single issue voters? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Because of the "unshakable foundation of shared values and |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
51. Well, now I'm back to supporting only Kucinich OR Clark for President |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. No, but we do have a special relationship with Israel |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. but those were SPECIAL spies! |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. The Democratic Party Platform states we have a special relationship |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #61 |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. Nice site..... |
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badgervan (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
77. If So... |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
112. Ask yourself |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
63. He has no choice but to say this or his political career is |
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latebloomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. And what else does he have no choice about? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. It would not be wise for a candidate to take a position in opposition to the Party's Platform |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
88. I completely agree. nt |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
71. Wow, he really went out on a limb. NOT! |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
75. we SHOULD help Israel defend itself - by FORCING it behind the green line |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
79. They have one of the best (if not the best) armies in the world, |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #79 |
102. Had |
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donkeyotay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
87. If only we could choose among representatives as dedicated to promoting |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Here! Here! |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
94. The majority of lobbyists belong in prison & AIPAC is no |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
97. Dennis has the right idea re: Israel/Palestine |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I agree with DK too. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-16-07 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
111. Beware, Israel. Saddam Hussein also had "special" relationship... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
113. it's disgusting how our candidates have to suck up to the isreali lobby. |
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Danmel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Last I checked we didn't get any oil from Israel |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. True, so exactly what strategic advantage does our "special relationship"... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #117 |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #122 |
133. I doubt that weaning ourselves from oil |
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Danmel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
134. Ah....so the truth comes out |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. we need an ally and safe haven in the region to protect our 'vital interests' |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. Would you be O.K. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. as a nation, we don't seem too concerned about the bloodbath in sudan... |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. I'm not O.K. with bloodbaths anywhere. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. i certainly wouldn't loose any sleep over it. |
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Ronnie Roach (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
121. To say," help Israel" is a gross generalization |
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goforit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
126. Touting DLCr |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
128. Well, he's still the best of the front runners IMO |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-17-07 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
130. Who Is Going To Protect Israel From Itself? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-18-07 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
139. this is why we need someone like Feingold or Clark on the ticket or at least as Secretary of State |
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