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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:23 PM
Original message
Iraq resolution passes House (246 yeas and 182 nays with six not voting)
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 03:28 PM by sabra

http://www.cnn.com/

Breaking News >> The House of Representatives passes a non-binding resolution rejecting President Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17179124/

Iraq resolution passes House
Senate to consider similar measure Saturday

BREAKING NEWS


WASHINGTON - The Democratic-controlled House, Friday, approved a nonbinding measure disapproving of President Bush's decision to deploy more troops to Iraq, opening an epic confrontation between Congress and commander in chief over an unpopular war that has taken the lives of more than 3,100 U.S. troops. The final vote was 246 yeas and 182 nays with six not voting.

"The stakes in Iraq are too high to recycle proposals that have little prospect for success," said Speaker Nancy Pelosi, leader of Democrats who gained power last fall in elections framed by public opposition to the war.

"The passage of this legislation will signal a change in direction in Iraq that will end the fighting and bring our troops home," she vowed.
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...

"Their so-called slow-bleed approach is the bite that will surely hurt those fighting under America's flag overseas," said Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri, the second-ranking Republican, as debate neared an end.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:25 PM
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1. It is a start!
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:47 PM
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18. How many more died today while we are "celebrating"?
Do something with some fucking teeth in it and stop boring me with ceremonial bullshit.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:54 PM
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20. And how many would have died if nothing at all was done?
It's a start & Murtha has laid out the plan & agenda for all to see if you even care instead of just making swipes.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:00 PM
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22. Thank you...
I totally agree.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. Which the chimp will laugh at and veto and ignore
Assuming it isn't filibustered in the Senate. In other words, nothing will change. The only thing that will stop this is complete defunding or impeachment.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:36 PM
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. Aw, geez...
If Murtha's already laid it out for the public, then the Republicans already know how to shoot it down. This is a high-stakes game of Texas Hold 'Em, and the cardinal rule is to never tip your hand for the other guy.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. Secrecy is Bush's way, not ours.
:eyes: But I think you already knew that.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. I Spoke With My Brother Today, He Is In Baghdad
And his words were, "It's a start."

He's right :D
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. Welcome to DU!
Glad to hear your brother is ok when you spoke to him.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #18
38. Celebrating? Damn, did I miss another PARTAY?
What are you talking about?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #18
42. I'm bored with ceremony as well
But it is a start? <sigh>

I'd rather have impeachment going forward.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:27 PM
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2. Now...let's BIND sumthin'. n/t
:bounce:
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:32 PM
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8. Now get them to vote against funding the war.
Will Congress put limits on Iraq funding?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17167344/
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. hell yes, symbolism be damned....dems...attack!!!
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
39. Yes - our votes last November were...
BINDING. I expect the same on the Hill.

Time for some real teeth! :applause: :kick:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:27 PM
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3. 246-182. 2 Dems against and 17 Repukes for.
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 03:27 PM by NYC Liberal
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:30 PM
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7. Who were the Dems voting Nay?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Link to roll call:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=228590&mesg_id=228590

But they don't have parties next to the names.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:34 PM
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11. Thanks
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Thanks. See the link for party affiliation
Here ==> http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll099.xml

Didn't vote:
Baird (D)
Boustany
Davis, Jo Ann
Hastert
LoBiondo
Nadler (D)

Dennis the Menace Hasturd didn't vote. Hope those in his district ask him why!
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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. The two Democrats who voted nay
are Gene Taylor, Mississippi 4th district, and Jim Marshall, Georgia 4th district.

We need to find some replacement candidates for the 2008 primary election.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #12
36. I am sad to say that Jim Marshall is my Representative...
and, that no one can beat him in a primary, and if someone did, that someone would lose to Mac Collins.

Marshall has disappointed me more than once.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #3
63. Good info NYC Liberal.
Thanks :hi:
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:27 PM
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4. AP link
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ?SITE=CARDB&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Democratic-controlled House issued a symbolic rejection of President Bush's decision to deploy more troops to Iraq on Friday...
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:29 PM
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5. Now to De Fund this illegal, immoral, insane war of aggression.
Don't settle for anything less.
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:55 PM
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21. YES!!!
Call reps & senators & tell them! There's another funding resolutions coming up (Will Congress put limits on Iraq funding? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17167344/).

Also call House & Senate Appropriations Committee members

House: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/committees.tt?commid=happr
Senate: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/committees.tt?commid=sappr
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #5
48. Yep.
Stop the war. As Mattcom says GTFON.
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:29 PM
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6. Who were the 6 who didn't vote?
(My weasel of a rep is known for this trick...)
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:38 PM
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14. Dems: Baird & Nadler Repukes: Boustany, Davis (Jo Ann), Hastert, LoBiondo -eom
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 03:40 PM by Justitia
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll099.xml#N
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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:39 PM
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16. The non-voting members were
Brian Baird, D-Washington, Charles Boustany, R-Louisiana, Jo Ann Davis, R-Virginia, Denny "the Hut" Hastert, R-Illinois, Frank LoBiondo, R-New Jersey, and Jerry Nadler, D-New York.

Anybody know why Baird and Nadler didn't vote?
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:38 PM
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15. I consider this non-binding resolution the equivalent
of kissing my cousin.

We need to pass something that says you have 6 months Mr President to get all the troops trained and also to open diplomatic channels with iran and syria to protect the borders.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. It's step one - First time ever congress has told W "NO!" re: this war
Step 1.
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Yes it is step 1
but I am sure Dumbo-u and Darth Cheney are laughing their asses off right now thinking that it is going to do no good. They will still do there little surge.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #23
61. I'm sure Chimpy is shaking in his faux cowboy boots
Oh wait, he's not. He's actually said it means nothing, which is 100% correct. Here's the thing about "non-binding" bullshit...insane lunatics don't give a shit about it. All this did was waste precious time that could have been spent voting to defund it or on impeachment. Meanwhile, more die.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
29. Can't get that passed - senate in the way, then the veto.
Positive legislative acts are not going to happen. On the other hand negative acts, specifically defeating the next war appropriations bill in the house, cannot be filibustered or vetoed. The funding for the war is gone by a simple majority vote in the house.
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maggiegault Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #15
31. It's More Than What We Have Previously Had
Look, I have a lot at stake here, my brother is over there, and I am jubilant about today.

First of all, we had GOP standing up to *. Would that have happened even a year ago?

Second, * will go ahead with his plans, but this time, even those who previously supported him are watching with disbelief. * will of course do everything he can to throw a tantrum and further expose himself as the mentally ill freak that he is.

Third, and this is a given, more troops will die in the meantime. Horrible and tragic and it makes me sick, but how can people NOT juxtapose the continued stubbornness of * with the fact that our soldiers continue to die. Very smart, Maria. Very smart.

Fourth, impeachment? At this late in the game? Better to let him go down as the worst president in history while rendering him an ineffectual lame duck numbnuts and continue to destroy GOP dreams of dominance for years to come.

It's a start, I think that it's tremendous.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. Thank you - a great post
I'm glad you're jubilant, and that your brother is hopeful. I know my nephew who returned from his tour in October, and does NOT want to go back, is also happy.

There is only so much we can do - people who expect miracles are going to be disappointed, but the reality is, it IS a start, it will hopefully get the ball moving in the right direction, and lead us out of this mess. It's not easy with a pResident who believes he's above the law.

I love your last paragraph! "ineffectual lame duck numbnuts", indeed. I hope he is painfully and slowly neutered.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #15
60. You're simply ignorant. Sorry to put it so bluntly
They're setting the table for further action. And that simply MUST be done. And they do have a plan. Anyone listening to Murtha knows that. There is no magic bullet to kill the war immediately. Legislation to simply defund the war in its entirety would be roundly defeated, and would be a huge setback. That's the facts.
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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:40 PM
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17. OK, that's nice. Now it's time for all you Dem Congresscritters to take some REAL ACTION!!!
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sdfernando Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:49 PM
Response to Original message
19. Now how long will it be...
before the blivet declares the House of Representatives to be a terrorist organization?
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. Ha! Good one!
:toast:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:17 PM
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25. Great! NOW VOTE NO TO FUNDING MORE WAR
Let me rephrase that:


VOTE NO ON WAR APPROPRIATIONS BILL



It is that simple.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
28. K&R. This is gooood to see!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:05 PM
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33. Only 17 Republican votes? Dems ought to make some hay with that in 2008.
Those Republicans voting against the resolution who are in blue states/districts should have some 'splainin to do.
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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:24 PM
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40. What difference will it make?
The Chimp will just ignore it, anyway.

After all, he's "The Decider."
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Every loss on the record takes the snicker out of the blowmonkey.
This lets the press have at him. This. Is. Fun.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #41
62. Glad you're enjoying the circus
How many died today?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. I was in the street on Feb 15th 2003 in NYC protesting the war. It was 20 degrees.
I'm not enjoying it at all. Thankyou. How many times have you called/emailed your representatives this year? I lost count.
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:00 PM
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43. Where Is The Mainstream Media, Anyway?
An overwhelming asswhomping in November, and an overwhelming middle finger extended to Chimpy today.

When will the LEFT WING media start living up to their namesake? If they're going to be excoriated by the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh for being so damned liberal...WHY NOT LIVE UP TO THE HYPE?

FOX makes no bones about cozying up to the right. It's time for the mainstream media to drop all pretense of being balanced and GIVE THE RW what they want.

It'll destroy them.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 08:49 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. Welcome to DU
Good points about the "mainstream" media. We like to call it the corporate media here. But anything will do....lapdogs, whatever. I agree with all your points.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:06 PM
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44. so many bubble bursters out there....
yeah its non binding...

yeah hes going to ignore it anyway...

anyone remember signing statements? You know those snippets he puts in at the end of every bill he touches, basically creating a fucking ton of non binding everything...

Its a start that will only lead to biger objectives..
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 08:55 PM
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47. NON BINDING? When will Congress get a spine and stand up to the monster
This fucker has deemed Congress illegitimate
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 09:21 PM
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49. Wake up Republicons - morale among troops & populace is low
One question I'd like answered is what has changed in the world that we, as Americans, now have to "fear' radical Muslims attacking us here in our cities and wanting to change our Bibles to Korans??? Sorry, but I'm of the opinion most Republicons should be neutered.
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dardango Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 09:33 PM
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50. Bold Move or Short Cut?
What do you think future generations will think of a resolutions like this one passed today?



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Tekla West Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Future Generations
will think "What ever they paid these people it was too much." Non-binding resolutions are a joke, they need to DO something. Big deal, they got elected, they might try governing or else it will be all up for grabs again in 08. People want action, not a hand-job.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:31 PM
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51. Woopteefart'n do.
hmmmmf. Get the fuck out now! And put the brakes on Iran invasion!
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:20 PM
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53. and pass something binding please
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 11:21 PM by BayCityProgressive
why are we still making excuses for Dems and Reps? A vast majority of their constituents want out of Iraq and want Bush impeached and they are not acting. We live in a a democracy for the rich capitalist class of society, not for the rest of us.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 06:03 AM
Response to Reply #53
58. Or go home and just eat some fucking cheese you bastards!
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Inyerface Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 01:05 AM
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54. Quit Wasting Time And Cut Off The Funds . . .
I'm sick of hearing "the Iraqis need to stand up for themselves" for over two years - I don't see that happening as long as our troops are their for target practice. Congress needs to take back the authority it abdicated - - giving the go-ahead to a war monger was a major mistake that needs to be rectified. There are no easy answers, as we run the risk of not only losing the peace in Iraq, but the entire region as well. We need to work on mending the fences around the world and gain back the trust of our alienated allies, something that I don't see happening as long as that jerk remains in office.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 06:58 AM
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59. It's Just Not That Simple
I hear you, but you know that just "cutting off the funds" isn't that simple given the congressional rules and the political reality, especially in the Senate. Hey look, the Dems are doing well. We have started with this: a real debate, a non-binding resolution, and MUCH more oversight in the congressional committees. Now we are moving toward additional steps to place some real checks and balances on Bush's ill conceived policies with BINDING measures and conditions. Pelosi, Reid, and the Dems are saying NO MORE RUBBERSTAMPS!! I know it is hard to be a bit more patient, but that's what we just have to be. We have only just taken power, and we need to be a little more patient and reasoned and we will chip away at Bush in pieces, BUT this is a HELL OF A LOT MORE than we could have ever hoped for with the rubberstamp R's still in power. Let's look at how full our glass is rather than how empty.
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happy5 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 01:35 AM
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55. Er, NON-BINDING resolution...
if it is not going to force anything, then what is the point of voting for it? Make those jerks pay for their mistakes, and pay for yours along the way.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 02:18 AM
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56. You Are All Right
It is not enough but it is something.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:08 PM
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64. Dittohead on the scene...
Ditto.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:50 AM
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57. self-deleted
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 04:04 AM by radfringe
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