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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:45 AM
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Anti-aircraft missiles found near Baghdad-military
Iraqi security forces found 50 surface-to-air missiles in a weapons cache near Baghdad on Saturday, an Iraqi military spokesman said.

"These were Russian-made surface-to-air missiles that were still useable," said Brigadier Qassim Moussawi, spokesman for the Iraqi general in charge of a new security crackdown in Baghdad.

Moussawi did not give the location of the cache, one of the largest to be found since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. He said no arrests had been made.

Seven U.S. military and private security helicopters have been shot down in Iraq over the past month. The U.S. military said "sophisticated weaponry" was probably responsible for the downing of one but that machinegun fire accounted for the rest.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/KHA749157.htm
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:51 AM
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1. So...when do we invade Russia?
So when will BushCo present his findings to the UN,
and begin talk of "mushroom clouds" "mobile-weapons labs"
and "aluminum tubes"---regarding Russia?


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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:42 AM
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12. eggsactly.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:52 AM
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2. shouldn't we be talking about getting ready to attack Russia now?
Why isn't the administrating saying this comes with the approval from the highest in the Russian government. And Where's Tony snow flapping his jaws and banging the drum for war.. C'mon people we need to add Russia to the axis of evil... Who's gonna help me make this war?... The Sky is falling...

:sarcasm:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:53 AM
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3. Russian missiles? OK, then, let's invade Iran. it's obviously their fault.
US weapons sold on the black market? Let's invade Iran
Saudis funding and arming sunni terror groups and shooting as US troop? let's invade Iran.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:55 AM
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4. How do they know they were made in Russia?
Were they stamped "Made in Russia" in English?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:58 AM
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5. yup. exactly.
Our CIA is too fucking stupid to understand Cyrillic characters, much less farsi. Of course, any translator of note, any experienced foreign expert and anyone disagreeing with Feith, Cheney, Goss, Rumsfeld no longer works there, so I can understand their difficulties.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:05 AM
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6. surface-to-air missiles that were "still useable"...
my guess that means they were old missiles like the stinger missiles we sent over to Afghanistan to use against the Soviets.
Doesn't mean they will work,just means they might work and need to be destroyed asap.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:38 AM
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8. Typical weak Reuters reportings but it does sound like they were older manpads vice SAM-3s or 6s
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:11 PM
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15. There are no such things as "manpad" SA-3s or SA-6s
Both are transported on wheeled or tracked vehicles...
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:18 PM
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16. Which was extactly my point...that they were most likely manpads and not SA-3 or SA-6s
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:36 AM
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7. The markings are clear and disctinctive...
and while forgeable, its pretty easy to tell.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:47 AM
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9. Like 800 Austrian made sniper rifles
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 10:56 AM by ohio2007
sold to Iran but somehow ended up in Iraq ?


Austrian sniper rifles sold to Iran found in Iraq: report
<snip>
The .50 calibre weapons, which are capable of penetrating body armour, were part of a shipment of 800 rifles exported by Austrian arms manufacturer Steyr-Mannlicher to Iran last year, the newspaper said.

"Although we did make our worries known the sale unfortunately went ahead, and now the potential that these weapons could fall into the wrong hands appears to have happened," a spokesman for the British foreign ministry was quoted as saying by the Telegraph.


<snip>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070213/wl_afp/iraqiranaustriaweaponstradeusbritain_070213030722

Now why would the British foreign ministry worry about such an unfortunate miniscule arms sale as that ?



btw, is he the #2 or #3 ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070217/ts_nm/britain_royals_iraq_dc
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:09 PM
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14. Russian SA-7s or SA-14s have Russian markings
It's a no brainer.

Saddam had bunches of them and Rummy let them fall into the insurgent's hands.
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:49 PM
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17. Ok
It's quite easy to tell the difference between a US and Russian MANPAD.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 10:57 AM
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10. Part of the armament Saddam had when we invaded but did not secure
That was the greatest blunder of the entire conflict, not securing either the ammo dumps or the nuclear facilities but the very first thing we made sure we secured was the oil fields...
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:02 AM
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11. Releasing the entire conscripted Iraqi army go was the worst blunder
Imagine that, the fourth largest military in the world getting their pink slips virtually overnight.
They could have been used on the borders and pipelines with only a slight pay raise and new pledge of allegiance. A paltry sum compared to the current price we pay.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 11:59 AM
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13. invading in the first place, was the worst blunder, IMO
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:55 PM
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18. this is their best shot to get us in Iran? This is what happens when you piss off pentagon AND CIA
your trumped up excuses get more and more pathetic.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:56 PM
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19. By the logic of the Bushies, Russia should have bombed us when we gave stingers to Afghans in 80s
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 06:34 PM
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21. ..as we witnessKGB chief Vlad Putins revenge
on our stopping the Soviet adventure . Putin is ready to turn a profit also as payback is a biatch
http://www.circusfantasticus.com/view_video.php?viewkey=fc522773286a895bc843
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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 04:05 PM
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20. No
this is one of their first shots.......Their best shot will likely include "dead iranians" with "orders to kill puppies and kitties in Texas"........
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