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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:02 PM
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Mexican anger over US 'trespass' (BBC)
Mexico's parliament has condemned what it says is a border violation by US workers building a controversial barrier between the two countries.

Legislators say workers and equipment building a section of the barrier have gone 10 metres (yards) into Mexico.

The alleged border violation comes ahead of a high-level meeting in the Canadian capital Ottawa.

US, Mexican and Canadian foreign ministers are to discuss border security and trade issues.

Mexican legislators said they had photographs and video, taken on Monday, of the workers and heavy-duty construction equipment that showed them about 10 metres inside Mexico near the border city of Agua Prieta and the town of Douglas, Arizona.
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more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6390291.stm
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:03 PM
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1. Diplomacy at work.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:05 PM
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2. great cheney will be there to greet them
and tell them to go fuck themselves. assholes
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:05 PM
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3. We can't put up a fence on our own land???
I feel like I'm in a real estate fight...
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:12 PM
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10. Guys... hold the Xenophobia.
Ya'll missing the point.

The US should be building a fence in the US to stop Mexicans from coming across without the proper papers, NOT yards INSIDE their country, MEXICO. I understand Mexicans find this fence offensive, but what is offensive to me is that we think we are ENTITLED to just go to a country and try to take over like it is our land.

How would you like it if your neighbor move your fence 10 meters into your property?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 03:21 PM
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22. I don't think the wall itself was in Mexico
It sounds like the workers were, in the process of building the wall, driving and moving thirty feet or so into Mexico. Sounds like we're just building the wall a little to close to the border.

Maybe if we tag the workers with GPS anklets the Mexican government will be happy...
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:08 PM
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4. Lets have a war with MEXICO!!!
They want to USE our highway for their truck delivery too!!! Bush and company has done a fine job. I can't wait for another UNION TRUCKERS HIGHWAY SHUT DOWN... CONVOY!!!
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:15 PM
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5. Heh.
Sorry everyone. I don't care where you stand on the illegal immigration issue, but this is rather funny. Every day hundreds of Mexican citizens walk across that border into our country, and the U.S. says very little. When the government does announce its intention to limit the number of Mexicans flowing into the U.S., the Mexican government screams bloody murder and everyone complains mercilessly about human rights violations. The border, we're told, should be open.

On the flip-side, 10 American's walk 30 feet onto Mexican soil, and all of a sudden it's a violation of their sovereignty, an insult to their territorial integrity, an international incident, and according to at least one poster in this thread, warlike posturing.

As I said, I don't care where you stand on the issue, but contrasting the two responses is rather humorous.
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:20 PM
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6. Ok But heres another problem that I have... If you look at the Northern..
border, you won't see the same consideration given to Canadians that want to just walk across the border and hey that's ok, no problem..... Bullshit, they would have us spread eagled on the ground face down, no exceptions... So, what the hell is going on here?

ww
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:30 PM
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7. Not to worry, oldtimecanuk, they arrest hundreds of thousands
of Mexicans and others coming across the border each year. They just can't catch them all.

Imagine if millions of Canadians WERE coming across the border. It's really quite similar: They'd be coming across through the mountains or in the empty vastness of Manitoba and Sasketechewan. It'd be tough for la migra to catch them all.
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oldtimecanuk Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:46 PM
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9. And please understand, I have no problem what so ever with...
Mexican (Hispanic people) I am certainly not a racist.... The only problem that I have is justice, and the fact that other countries must respect borders period.... In my opinion, you just can't walk into another country and assume that, that is ok.... Doesn't work that way in the real world...

ww
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:29 PM
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12. Timber-backs ...

We don't nearly the problem with illegal Canadian immigration.

This is political posturing by corrupt Mexican officials. It's easier to blame the US for Mexico's economy and rely on the US as a de-facto welfare system rather than changing the nature of Mexican society.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:38 PM
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24. That's because we don't as a rule fuck with Canadian elections.
Our corrupt officials can beat theirs any day. :)
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:38 PM
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8. Agreed
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:19 PM
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11. Apples and Oranges.
It is not that 10 AMERICANS crossed into Mexico, the problem is that they are building a fence IN MEXICO, NOT THE US. In my town that's called STEALING.

It is NOT the MEXICAN GOVERNMENT the one crossing the border and taking over our country. You are comparing apples to Oranges. It is true that the Mexican government is not doing anything to control the traffic of its citizens but that doesn't give us the right to just make a fence into their territory.

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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:34 PM
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13. Abandonment ...

Mexico seems to have abandoned it's own border. This is merely a salvage operation.

Mexico refuses to enforce it's border and that negatively impacts the land owners on the US side. Why should they surrender their land because of fault of the Mexican government?

Mexico does not respect that line. In fact, they seem to think that the US border with Mexico extends all the way to Canada. They treat it as such. Why should they be surprised of the US reciprocates.

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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:44 PM
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15. Wrong
Because a border is abandoned that is NO EXCUSE for us to build a fence IN THEIR country.

Obviously they (Mexico) won't do anything about their citizens crossing and we are the ones who seem to have a problem with this. If they don't respect that line like you say then, WE must pay to BUILD HERE if we want a fence.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:38 PM
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14. That is not what is being alleged.
Nobody has claimed that the fence is being built on Mexican territory, only that the people and equipment building it have crossed the border onto Mexican land. If it's anything like the border here in California, the fence is probably located within a couple of feet of the actual boundary. Any workers or equipment being used on the south side of the fence are almost guranteed to cross into Mexican territory.

The solution is simple, of course. Build the danged thing 30 feet back from the border. That will solve the issue, AND give us control of land on both sides of the fence.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:53 PM
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17. Well then...
we don't have the moral authority to condemn Mexico for not doing anything if we leave our construction equipment in THEIR land. I saw a lot of outrage at the fact that Mexican-Americans were waving Mexican flags during Immigration marches last year. To me this is no different.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 03:15 PM
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21. Simple and obvious, but would require RESPECT for Mexican sovereignty ...
and Bu**sh**co has none.

Mexico is perfectly in the right to complain about this. The fact is, if the US had made a request to move construction equipment across the border for a specified distance, to be removed by a specific date and time, they likely would have gotten full cooperation. But that would require diplomacy and tact. Bu**sh**co don't believe in asking for permission, they believe in granting themselves permission to do whatever they want to do.
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:03 PM
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19. You are very right, and very in need of a flame retardant suit
Wishing you luck.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 08:45 PM
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16. OMG APARTHEID WALL!!!!111
At least that's what they call it in I/P when talking about Israel's fence....

:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:38 PM
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25. And what would you call it, progressive?
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outofbounds Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:01 PM
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18. Tell the Mexican
Parliament the the people fleeing his country are bringing the land with them. All 30' of it. Perhaps Mexico should provide its people a reason to stay in Mexico rather than getting pissed at the US for building a fence.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:40 PM
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26. And perhaps your government should stop subverting elections
in Mexico for their cronies' gain.

Really, buy or. borrow a clue.
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msedano Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:31 AM
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20. jingoes & my country right or wrong responses
are the real humor in this thread. thanx for the laughs.

US-Mexico border disputes take years to work out. It's refreshing to see this violation get resolved so quickly. Just blame the neighbors.

Have a look at the history of El Chamizal to glean some insight into the significance of land ownership. Lower your hackles and anti-immigrant resentment. Sheesh.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/CC/nbc1.html
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 09:29 PM
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23. May-be we should...
be thanking Mexico's Parliament for this violation of their land. It might stop the American Berlin wall from going up.
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