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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:00 PM
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Spy Chief (McConnell) Warns Situation In Iraq Going The Wrong Way

http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=53604

Spy Chief Warns Situation In Iraq Going The Wrong Way

The nation's spy chief says the security and political trends in Iraq are moving "in a negative direction." Director of National Intelligence John McConnell says sectarian violence has become "self-sustaining."

He told the Senate Armed Services Committee that unless efforts to change that trend "gain real traction," the situation will continue to deteriorate.

McConnell also says that even if the violence diminishes, the ongoing sectarian animosity makes political reconciliation difficult over the next year.

His comments come as congressional Democrats try to reach a consensus on how best to proceed in Iraq.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:03 PM
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1. Noooooooo! Ya' think, McConnell?
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 12:04 PM by mcscajun
:banghead:

Some of these people need alarm clocks, 'cause they're Late, Late, Late!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:03 PM
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2. will * listen?
will our Dems listen? This crackdown is a disaster it's just pushing the violence to other areas.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:04 PM
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3. But where's the good news ?
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 12:05 PM by BOSSHOG
this just proves the flag wavers point. So things are going to shit and kids are getting blown up on soccer fields and our kids in uniform continue to die, and generals are threatening to quit if bush wants them to attack iran and our wounded kids at Walter Reed are sharing space with rats and cockroaches, and our helicopters are getting shot out of the sky and Britain is pulling out its troops. What's the freaking problem? Everything is just fine in Iraq, just ask rush; he's a military expert.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:11 PM
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4. AND we are funding alQaeda types
that couldn't possibly come back around and blow in our faces now could it?
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:11 PM
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5. They are desperate. They will grasp at one straw in particular: Iran. nt
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:13 PM
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6. Lindsay Graham is an asshole.
Asking leading, rehearsed questions.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:28 PM
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8. Lindsay Graham knows the military and its mission.
She's served.

Graham logged six-and-a-half years of service on active duty as an Air Force lawyer.

Apologies to real women everywhere.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:39 PM
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12. What are you trying to say?


:rofl:
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:53 PM
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22. I can't stand Repukes. Especially a gay, chickenhawk Repuke
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 03:33 PM by arewenotdemo
who somehow is able to portray himself as some kind of military expert because he was/is a fucking military lawyer. Not quite the same level of human scum, as say, desktop warriors like Wolfowitz or Ledeen, but on the same team.

But he won't allow the sacrifices of those who have died or been wounded in Iraqnam to be in vain. So more will die. And many more Iraqis will, too.

Shoulda used the sarcasm smilie.




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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-02-07 12:50 AM
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42. and then there's Bill O'Reilly
Who pushed a pencil as his wartime duty.



Cher

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Tracer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:03 PM
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15. Huh?
Last time I looked, Lindsay Graham was a guy.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:39 PM
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19. I haven't seen Graham naked, so I can't be sure.
nor do I want to, and nor do I care. He mixes refreshing truths with vile Neoconmanisms.
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:32 PM
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31. I think it was a joke...
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:56 PM
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35. Barely...
... if at all.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:15 PM
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7. "Moving"? what they were going in the right direction before?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:30 PM
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9. Still, it's remarkable
that a government official would say so.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:32 PM
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10. "self-sustaining"
Ok,Does that mean we can stop helping now?:sarcasm:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:34 PM
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11. But look on the bright side: Now we'll be "going the wrong way" with a bigger force!
That has to account for something!
:sarcasm:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:54 PM
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13. Thank you Captain Obvious
Next he'll tell us that cigarettes increase the smokers chance of lung cancer.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 12:57 PM
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14. AFP: Iraq bomb kill 18 kids, US spy chief admits 'civil war'
BAGHDAD (AFP) - Bombers slaughtered 18 Iraqi children playing football on Tuesday as a relentless bombing spree snuffed out dozens more lives and a US spy chief acknowledged that the crisis amounts to "civil war".

The children, aged between 10 and 15, died when a car parked next to a football pitch in the western Iraqi city of Ramadi exploded while they were playing, an Iraqi defence official told AFP.

~anip~

In Washington, Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell told senators that the crisis was "moving in a negative direction" and that "the term 'civil war' accurately describes key elements of the Iraqi conflict."

"Unless efforts to reverse these conditions gain real traction during the 12-18 month time frame ... we assess that the security situation will continue to deteriorate at rates comparable to the latter half of 2006," he said.

more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070227/wl_afp/iraq_070227173936
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:20 PM
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16. "unless we do something". That is the key. He is assuming that
we can still win this damn war. To put yourself in the Iraqi's shoes you need only ask one question: "What would we do if someone were to occupy our country?" They are not going to stop fighting the occupiers. That will be true of any Arab country that we try to take over. Wake up, spies. Look at the picture from the hearts of the people we are fighting.
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:27 PM
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17. We, The People, Told You That FOUR FRIGGIN' YEARS AGO
The audacity of these idiots, feigning ignorance while pumping our backsides with a devious smile.
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youngdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 01:36 PM
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18. Hmm....I'm gonna file this under "NS" for NO SHIT !
Sure is fun watching it dawn on the wingnuts one by one that their clipper has not only run aground, but is several miles inshore.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:38 PM
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20. Such an astounding grasp of the obvious.
:eyes:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:52 PM
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21. next year? how about never ..
the only reason they played nice is because of saddam. once he was gone centuries of ideological/religious hatred was unleashed.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:54 PM
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23. A tautology:
"...unless efforts to change that trend "gain real traction," the situation will continue to deteriorate."

That's like saying, unless it rains it won't rain.
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againes Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 03:08 PM
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27. "Unless it rains, it won't rain"
that is hysterical!!!! That should be the bush motto!! I am sure he would mess it up, and stammer his way through it so it wouldn't be as funny.:puke:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:56 PM
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24. But what about morons* boner? I mean surge?? nt
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:58 PM
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25. FUBAR
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westerebus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:58 PM
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40. We past FUBAR a while a go.
We are now in the territory of DFICSS. Doubled Fucked in a Cosmic Sorta Sense.:evilgrin:
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 03:06 PM
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26. straight from the desk of the newly formed dept of no shoot sherlock
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 03:26 PM
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28. There's a right way to start World War Three?
:shrug:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:13 PM
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29. Bu.. bu.. but .. Joe Lieberman declared a truce
until after summer. Oh, yeah, that was just the truce that makes Iraq discussions off limits in the Senate.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:58 PM
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30. Nothing to see here -- feed them more ANS -- right Abrams?
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 06:04 PM
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32. but, things are being 'redirected'
are we now driving on the wrong side of the road on a one-way street or have things gotten worse?

aspirin or tylenol recommended before reading Sy Hersh's "The Redirection"

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh?page=1

"Today, the only army capable of containing Iran" - the Iraqi army - "has been destroyed by the United States."

"Once you get them out of the box, you can't put them back."

"The Pentagon consultant had a different view. He said that the Administration had turned to Bandar as a 'fallback', because it had realized that the failing war in Iraq could leave the Middle East 'up for grabs'."

"In this process, we're financing a lot of bad guys with some serious potential unintended consequences. We don't have the ability to determine and get pay vouchers signed by the people we like and avoid the people we don't like. It's a very high-risk venture."


FUBAR seems as appropriate term as any.

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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:54 PM
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33. So my question is
What is the right way? If security and political trends were moving in a "positive" direction what would that look like? Would that mean that the entirety of the Iraqi population had succumbed and become a proper group of slaves (coolie labor) and that the oil was flowing into the pipelines of Western oil interests?

The premise of the US is "losing the war" or "things have gone astray" or the "war needs to be better managed" etc. is based upon the assumption that a War Crime can in some way be altered or staged in a fashion so as to cover up the crime.

And of course it is portrayed as "sectarian violence" by the disgusting US press and parroted dutifully by all manner of folk so as to blame the damn 'Injuns' who can't seem to quell their unrest.

The whole premise of this article is a crock.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 09:27 PM
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34. What were they saying a week or 2 ago? That we were making headway?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:45 PM
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36. Oh, no. I'm sure it's just another one of those successes that hasn't happened yet.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:50 AM
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37. Wow, I'm glad he told us that
Who knew?

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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 09:06 PM
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39. But Bush said that all military operations were completed? This
idiot decided to invade the one place on this Earth where the people that live there kill each other over their history and religious beliefs. They didn't even need us to kill any of them. They've been killing each other for centuries but Bush is going to bring a democracy to them. And we haven't impeached this lying sack of Sh** because . . . ?
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 11:35 AM
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38. Why is it up to DEMS to correct a hopeless situation created by
the sh%$head's sitting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Iraq can only have disastrous consequences for any 'solution' that may be reached - more troops will die and get wounded - 100's of billions of treasure will be spent uselessly and somehow the Repugs will be able to have DEMS 'share' in this monumental blunder that Repukes enabled Chimpy and his minions to foster on the World.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 02:11 AM
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41. Top US spy: Iran training Iraqis to use explosives
Top US spy: Iran training Iraqis to use explosives
28 Feb 2007 20:58:45 GMT
Source: Reuters

Background
• Iraq in turmoil


MORE >>
(Corrects attribution in paragraph one to "a top U.S. intelligence official" from "the top U.S. intelligence official") (Corrects paragraph 9 to read "Defense Intelligence Agency Director Army Lt. Gen. Michael Maples" instead of "McConnell" and makes attribution conform in paragraphs 11 and 13) (Updates throughout with quotes and background)

By David Morgan

WASHINGTON, Feb 27 (Reuters) - Iran is training anti-American Iraqi Shi'ites at sites inside Iran and Lebanon in the use of armor-piercing munitions blamed for the deaths of 170 U.S. troops in Iraq, a top U.S. intelligence official said on Tuesday.

In testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, newly installed U.S. intelligence chief Mike McConnell said it was "probable" that Iranian leaders including Ayatollah Ali Khamenei were aware that weapons known as explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, had been supplied to Iraqi Shi'ites.

But he and other senior intelligence officials told a hearing on threats to the United States that al Qaeda remained the greatest threat facing the United States and had reestablished itself in Pakistan since being driven out of Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks.

"We inflicted a major blow. They retreated to another area. And they are going through a process to reestablish and rebuild, adapting to the seams, or the weak spots," McConnell said in his first congressional testimony as the U.S. director of national intelligence.

http://mobile.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N27309478.htm
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