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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:57 PM
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196 professors killed, more than 100 kidnapped since U.S. invasion
Edited on Thu Mar-15-07 02:26 PM by sabra

http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news/2007-03-15/kurd1.htm

196 professors killed, more than 100 kidnapped since U.S. invasion

Since the 2003 U.S. invasion 196 university professors have been killed and more than 100 abducted, said Minister of Higher Education Abduldhiyab al-Aujaili.

He said the ministry has almost lost hope for the return of those who had been abducted and the violence targeting Iraqi universities has terrorized faculty members.

“Houses of hundreds of professors have been stormed and hundreds of them have been arrested though later most of them were released,” he said.

The rising violence has forced ‘thousands’ of Iraqi professors to flee the country, he said.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 01:59 PM
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1. They might not have teachers, but all the schools have fresh paint
that's gotta be worth something?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:00 PM
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2. Is this disproportionate...
to the 600,000+ Iraqis that have been killed?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:22 PM
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5. Yes.
Because the number of professors dead probably doesn't include those hideously murdered with intent and forethought by more or less natural causes, exacerbated by the conditions around them.

The authors of the report you allude to take pains to distinguish between those killed and those that died who (statistically speaking) wouldn't have done so otherwise. The report had something like 55,000 killed, IIRC. That makes the number of faculty killed disproportionate.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:30 PM
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6. Nope.
The 600,000 number is people killed by the war. That is, they would not have died if not for the war.

So with a nation of about 30 million (is that about right?) then 1 in 50 or so Iraqs (rounding) have died due to the war. (and this is several months ago).

So if it's proportionate, and 196 professors have died, then you'd need about 10,000 professors in all of Iraq at the outset of the war. I've no idea how many their actually were.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:34 PM
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7. one thing to note is reports have indicated that 40% of the professionals
have fled the country...
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 12:39 AM
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15. academics are targeted within Iraq, along with reporters and other professionals
nearly everybody that earns a wage has to be wary of kidnapping. If you are trade unionist or a secular academic you can be targetted for political reasons. Everybody is targeted for sectarian or ethnic grounds.

The outcome is the same, a lot of them flee, sometimes they end up dead.

Nobody in Iraq today can associate freely and freedom of speech is only exercised in a guarded fashion. Death squads, secret police and 'rape rooms' are back.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:06 PM
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3. Calling Laura, calling Jenna.
Iraq needs teachers.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:08 PM
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4. "Let Freedom Reign!"
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:35 PM
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8. Why does Bushitler want to kidnap professors?
Revenge?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:51 PM
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9. dead men don't talk?...n/t
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:31 PM
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11. They hate smart people. Repugs like people poor and stupid.
Easier to control.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:42 PM
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12. bingo - that's exactly it. n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 02:59 PM
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10. Damn, it's sounding like the tragedy in Cambodia...
... documented in "The Killing Fields".
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:45 PM
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14. That came to mind immediately for me, too. n/t
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:01 PM
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13. Killing profs in Iraq accomplishes the same thing as the charter
school movement here: it destoys education for the majority.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 02:38 AM
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16. Is it elitocide yet?
:cry:
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