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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:11 PM
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Cuba Castro Elections
<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070315/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_castro_elections_1>

Fidel Castro will be in "perfect shape" to run for re-election to parliament next spring, the first step toward securing yet another term as Cuba's president, National Assembly head Ricardo Alarcon said Thursday.
"I would nominate him," said Alarcon, the highest-ranking member of parliament. "I'm sure he will be in perfect shape to continue handling his responsibilities."
Mobbed by foreign reporters following a parliamentary session to discuss Cuba's upcoming elections, Alarcon said Castro "is doing fine and continuing to focus on recovery and rehabilitation."
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:19 PM
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1. I'll go out on a limb and say...
...he "wins" :eyes:
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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:28 PM
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2. LOL
unless Perez Roque runs against Raul, hypothetically speaking. Just imagine Che were still around?
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:50 PM
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3. He would be bored.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 03:58 PM
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4. BwahaHAH!!1 Uh-oh, my loudness is going to wake The Clique!!1 n/t
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:25 PM
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6. The Clique Aside--I Suspect That Fidel Would Win Against...
The Clique and their antics aside, I suspect that in a population with over 9 million social democrats, Fidel Castro would still soundly defeat the likes of Ileana Ros Lehtinen or either Diaz-Balart brother in a genuinely free and fair election. I believe that when it comes to Cuba, the exiles' right wing does them and their cause more harm than either old man in Havana can.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:11 PM
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8. My detestation of personality cult types (Fidel/Hugo/AMLO) does NOT mean
that I favor their wingnut opponents. I detest BATISTA/PERON/Evita and the ones you mention, and the 1st generation of CIA Cuban Exiles just as much. You didn't exactly SAY that I favored them, but bringing those names up in a reply to me left that hanging out there.

As for "social democrats"---is that what the Cuban people are? More like repressed, oppressed downtrodden. NOTE to anybody: Please do NOT insert here a litany of how liberated, free, and empowered they are.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:43 PM
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11. But...
That's exactly what it means! If you don't like him, Jones will come back! And surely, there are none among you who wish to see Jones come back? :sarcasm:
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:51 PM
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12. You Misunderstood Me...
You misunderstood me. Perhaps I contributed to it by not making myself clearer. I did not say that you favored the right-wing Cuban exiles like Ros-Lehtinen, the Diaz-Balarts, or David Riviera. If I gave that impression, I apologize.

Social democrats? Yes, that is what I suspect that the Cuban people on the island would be if there were free and fair elections and an absence of CDR political surveillance and secret police. Not Marxist-Leninists, not Fidelistas, not Batistianos, not laissez-faire social darwinists, not crony capitalists. I suspect that if the Cuban people were given their druthers, they'd probably choose a tropicalized version of what most eastern Europeans hoped for after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact. That is not a choice that the current dictatorship in Havana would give them, nor is it something that I think that the right wing of the Cuban exile leadership (Not the center of the Cuban exile community, not the left of the Cuban exile community) would want. I suspect that a social democratic Cuba, with at least a genuine mixed economy, free speech, free elections, and a commitment to education and health care for its people would also be opposed by the "Amurrican" corporate honchos and their hired-gun right-wing think-tank "scholars."

I wasn't trying to portray the present Havana regime as "liberating," "freeing," or "empowering." I was being cynical about a bunch of right-wingers who have been outsmarted by themselves as well as by the wily old man in Havana.

There are smart dictators and dumb dictators. Saying that what's-his-name is smarter than the right wing of his Miami opponents is not to heap praises on what's-his-name. This is simply to acknowledge that he's proved smarter than his opposition time and time again, not to endorse his policies or actions.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:00 AM
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17. Well people will insert what they want because here they are free.
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 10:01 AM by gorbal
Here is one of the more balanced reports I have seen on the topic of censorship in Cuba-


http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query=cuba%20library%20fight (click cuba library fight)

Perhaps skewed in that they leave the interview with the librarian in which see says they no longer censor books until the end, but still worth watching for both sides of the argument.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 10:14 AM
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18. That was interesting
Thanks for the link, gorbal.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:39 PM
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21. Can you provide a direct link to the article interview you are referring to?
I'm not seeing what you say is there.

Thanks.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 12:20 AM
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24. Gee, sorry
I didn't know you wanted your head uncluttered with FACTS from people who have actually been there and talked to many of these "oppressed" people.

Ok, remain ignorant...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 07:41 PM
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7. He's safe unless this guy throws his hat in the ring
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:15 PM
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9. He's safe because Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confessed to counting the votes!!1 n/t
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 08:17 PM
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10. Now that's funny.
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beth9999 Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 11:04 AM
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19. At least with Cuba...
... you know the elections are honest. Castro's the only candidate and he really will receive over 99% of the vote. (Sure it's through intimidation, threats and reprisal, but he still gets the votes).

Here, however, the elections are all rigged for the Repugs.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:04 AM
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27. Links please.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 04:59 PM
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5. I'd like to see someone announce that he/she is running against him.
That would probably be 5+ years in jail just for announcing.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:58 PM
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14. Yeah, right. Just pullin more crap outa yer rear end again, I see.
Why don't you put up a link or some kind of evidence to back up your assertion.

So, these people all were jailed?
(from the 2003 parliamentary election season)
http://www.granma.co.cu/secciones/candidatos/prov-13.htm
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MAGICBULLET Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 10:24 PM
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15. wait! that's in spanish
make sure you send one in english so that he could actually read it. the miami mafia in this country is way too comfortable with how spoiled they've become and they've shown how ridiculous they can be by dancing and screaming in the streets when he relinquished his power. Anyone ever see Oliver Stone's "Comandante" ?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 09:36 AM
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 06:33 PM
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20. You made the assertion. Now back it up. Otherwise, yer just pullin it outta yer ass.
Edited on Fri Mar-16-07 06:45 PM by Mika
I've provided a list (post #14) of candidates who ran in Mr F Castro's district in 2003.

Now you prove, since it is you making the assertion not me, that they were arrested and are serving time.

Instead of conjuring up fantasies from the darkest places in your imagination, please provide some evidence.

***Amazing. You make a ridiculous assertion, then you demand that I prove it for you. :wtf: :crazy: ***
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-15-07 09:12 PM
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13. So now the question is:
Will Castro win unanimously running unopposed or will he win with over 90% against someone who'll end up in jail a few weeks later?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:37 PM
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22. Good article & thread on Cuba's democracy..
..

Why Cuba is a democracy and the US is not
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x269248
In representative democracy, Cuba is clearly ahead. Cubans have open elections for their National Assembly (as well as their provincial and local assemblies), this assembly then elects the ministers, including a President of the Council of Ministers. In the US, there is a directly elected Congress and a President indirectly elected through electoral colleges. This President of state then appoints ministers. Yet a majority of the elected US Congress cannot block many Presidential ‘prerogatives’, including the waging of war. So even when the majority of the population and the majority of the Congress oppose a war, the President can still wage it. In the US, then, the elected assembly does not really rule.

In Cuba, the Constitution (Art 12) repudiates wars of aggression and conquest, and all ministers are accountable to the elected National Assembly. The President of Cuba’s Council of Ministers (falsely called a ‘dictator’ by the imperial US President) is not above the National Assembly and has no power to ‘veto’ a law passed by his country’s National Assembly. In the US, the President can and does veto Congressional laws.

In the US, eligibility for election to office depends on subscription to one of two giant parties and substantial corporate sponsorship. In Cuba, there are no electoral parties and there is no corporate sponsorship. The Cuban Communist Party is constitutionally recognised to promote socialist debate and policy, but has no electoral role. Citizens need not be CCP members to be elected, and many are not. National Assembly members (whether they belong to the CCP or not) do not represent any party, but rather their constituencies. The Cuban system bans foreign powers from funding electoral representatives or parties. The US Government, accustomed to foreign intervention, claims this law is ‘undemocratic’.

In the US, millions of people are excluded from voting, either because they have some criminal conviction or they belong to one or other group of second class citizens (e.g. Puerto Ricans, who pay tax but have no representative in Congress). In Cuba, very few are excluded from voting, and well over 90% of the adult population (those over sixteen years of age) actually do vote at each election. In the US, voter participation is often around 50%.

While there are constitutional civil rights in both countries, these rights are stronger under the Cuban system. Cuban citizens have the constitutional right to employment, food, free education, free health care, housing (including family inheritance), political participation, freedom of expression, personal property and freedom of religion. The Cuban state is constitutionally bound to guarantee these rights.


More at link..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x269248
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-16-07 08:53 PM
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23. Thanks for he link Mika ...I have been to Cuba several times and
have nothing but extremely positive memories. I do appreciate the knowledge that both you and Judy Lynn have brought to the Cuba threads. Keep posting ... we are all (well maybe not all :-) anxious to learn more.
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rcdean Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 02:24 AM
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25. Castro has been unduly villified in the US. What are voting requirements in Cuba?
Sure he has done things we don't approve of. So has every US President. Most of those things were done almost half a century ago to consolidate power.

I for one was unaware of elections in Cuba. What are the requirements for voting? Is it a secret ballot?

I commend Castro for being able to outwit the US gov't and right wing assassination and disruption efforts against him and Cuba all these years.

Mostly I commend him for bringing universal health care and education to the people.

But it is absolutely forbidden in the American culture to say anything at all positive about Castro in a public forum. We have our own forms of censorship.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 04:03 AM
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26. 16+ years old, no felony record.
http://www.poptel.org.uk/cuba-solidarity/democracy.htm
This system in Cuba is based upon universal adult suffrage for all those aged 16 and over. Nobody is excluded from voting, except convicted criminals or those who have left the country. Voter turnouts have usually been in the region of 95% of those eligible .

There are direct elections to municipal, provincial and national assemblies, the latter represent Cuba's parliament.

Electoral candidates are not chosen by small committees of political parties. No political party, including the Communist Party, is permitted to nominate or campaign for any given candidates.


--

The Cuban government was reorganized (approved by popular vote) into a variant parliamentary system in 1976.

You can read a short version of the Cuban system here,
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQDemocracy.html

Or a long and detailed version here,

Democracy in Cuba and the 1997-98 Elections
Arnold August
1999
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0968508405/qid=1053879619/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-8821757-1670550?v=glance&s=books


--


Mr Castro did not bring health care and education to the people. The Cuban people built these things for themselves using their elected government and institutions to do so.

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-17-07 08:28 AM
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28. Felons are disenfranchised for life? -nt
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