Students Pelt Karl Rove In Protest

Source: WRC-TV

WASHINGTON -- White House Advisor Karl Rove was the target of a protest on the American University campus Tuesday night, NBC 4 reported.

Rove was on the campus to talk to the College Republicans, but when he got outside more than a dozen students began throwing things at him and at his car, an American University spokesperson said.

The students then got on the ground and laid down in front of his car as a protest.

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If they want to protest fine ... throwing rocks at someone is pretty childish.

My kids behave that way ... they were brought up much better than that.

I would have preferred that they used tomatoes or eggs, but if pebbles is what they had on hand, then let them send the message to Karl, that you treat people bad enough long, don't count on people to respond to you in a civil manner.

...if it were me, I'd be tossing rotten eggs and decomposing cabbages!

Get the facts straight

packets of kool-aid! (wonder what they were throwing? maybe they were just throwing up when they saw him...?)

LOL! I love that.

And it would be an understandable reaction.

I have to admit that if he walked into the room right now, only the fact that I haven't eaten for several hours might prevent me from having exactly that reaction.

Can't see much detail, maybe a better one will show up?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b08_1175693599

Exclusive: Karl Rove Heckled And Pelted With Rocks

(03/04/07) WASHINGTON - White House aide Karl Rove came face to face with angry protesters after speaking to the Young Republican Club at American University Tuesday night, with about 20 students lying down in front of his car.

Student Josh Goodman told The Washington Post other students kicked Rove's car, "and tried to stop it as best they could."

Goodman, an AU junior, said he and others wanted to make a "citizens arrest" of the presidential adviser.

This is exclusive eyewitness video of the incident.

:thumbsup:

He is an abject coward who nevertheless abetted the murder of thousands of people, most of whom were innocent. He should know what a real war feels like.

Why the fuck does this weasel traitor still have national security clearance?

Violence brings more violence and makes us no better than the opposition.

If a few eggs tossed at his limo is the worst thing in his day, then he's a very lucky boy.

...courtesy of my young son.

Oh, right, that happened when he worked for Bush as Governor. Or, at least that's what he told the press.

When Rove is involved, with his background, this has to be questioned. He has run projects to make himself or his candidate look like the victim in the past.

This could be real, as it's certainly deserved. But with this guy, and his history, you have to wonder.

how amusing to consider that such a tactic may not work anymore, now that so very many see him for who he really is. :)

With head securely attached, of course, but he should understand the wrath of the people all the same.

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Placards, chants, even laying in front of the car, all are legitimate. Throwing things at the man, even as contemptible as he is, is childish, uncalled for, and illegal! It does nothing but draw negative attention to the protesters and the message is then lost.

I think it was in all ways right and salutary for them to be lobbing rotten eggs at Shrub's Executive Hearsemobile during his first Inaugural Cortege. I would have thrown as many as possible! If the pictures of the mangled children slain in his war don't get the message across of how unfathomably vile this man is, a few rotten eggs can only add a requisite scent of sulfur!

What they were doing was assault. I don't see how acting like a three-year old is appropriate at getting your message across. Their behavior (throwing things) is unacceptable.

Doesn't it?

themselves. I did not, old chap. Besides if we can't toss a rotten egg at their proud chariots now and then, we'd be just good little Germans, wouldn't we?

Did you leave out a word or two?

Toss eggs all you want, it doesn't make it legal. One doesn't have to resort to violence or illegal behavior in order not to be a "Good German."

Yeah, I would have tossed a few eggs and shouted a lot of insults and a pox on their "free speech zones." I was doing some research and noticed incidentally that police kept protestors quite a ways away from LBJ also.

Insults, placards, and the like, I can support, and would encourage. I have no idea what LBJ has to do with the conversation.

I doubt if having them merely lay down in front of the King's tax collector's carriage to protest royal tax collection policies would have had the same effect as trespassing, breaking and entering, theft, fraud (or misrepresentation), vandalism, and illegal dumping in Boston Harbor.

But then, maybe a cleverly-worded sign or two... :shrug:

in today's parlance, the boston tea party was a riot, pure and simple. gawd knows rove deserves anything rotten coming his way and a damn sight more than he'll ever experience.

rocks suck

"Your actions are inciting us to throw shit at you, take a hint."

You see, there are times when the populace might need to 'illegally' rise up against tyranny. That might mean 'illegally' marching on Washington DC, 'illegally' trespassing on WH grounds, and 'illegally' dragging their treasonous hides out and 'illegally' extraditing them to The Hague. Keep in mind, the only thing that makes that 'illegal' is if the administration were both lawful and legitimate.

Right now, they should take the hint. The American people will not suffer their imperial hubris, and they need to start hearing that message loud and clear.

The 'good Germans' could have saved the world a great deal of trouble if they took certain 'illegal' actions... which, by the way, would have been found to be perfectly legal after the fact.

With the crimes these assholes have committed, they are very lucky if it's only eggs.

It's absolutely imperative that these guys be made aware of the fact that they hae not been appointed emperor, they do not have a blank check to do whatever they please, and they are accountable to the American public. If there is to be any hope at all of checking their crimes, they have to receive that message loud and clear. Millions of people around the world have taken to the streets to peacefully protest this administration's policies, and they have simply ignored such historic demonstrations. Well, if they're not going to listen to the voice of the people, maybe the people need to speak a bit more loudly. Them going on and continuing to commit this country to further acts of mass murder is not an acceptable option - anything that it takes to prevent that is the lesser evil. Since violence is evidently the only language this administration speaks, maybe they will finally get the message if they can't get out of their cars without being pelted with rotten produce.

Peaceful protest works when those with whom you disagree are reasonable. These are not reasonable people, and these are most certainly not ordinary times.

Our nation is in deep, deep trouble and Rove is the prime reason for it. He has been protested time and time again, even at his own home, and it's done nothing. It's time these villains understand what's at stake. If it takes scaring his craven, pasty ass, fire away.

They hurt their cause by trying to shut him up through violence.

So how did all this talk of assault start? The cops obviously gauged the incident and decided that the kids weren't in any way a threat. When Bill Gates got a pie in the face, was it violence, or a prank... or a statement?

I don't know enough from the article, but there are quite a few people on this thread that need a stick removed.

I think of the ACLU here, where they will defend a person's free speech rights no matter how worng they feel the person is.

Is as bad as intentionally misleading the black electorate to vote on the wrong day??? Or wiretapping his own office and blaming it on the opposite campaign??? or maneuvering Bush's war-mongering cadre into the seat of power to kill 600,000 people and counting???

Am I missing something?

I agree with the posters who said that two wrongs don't make a right. As much as it would feel good to throw things at these motherless fucks it doesn't help our cause one bit. It is exactly what the right wing would do to someone like Michael Moore or Bill Clinton--and they would certainly have what was, for them, a very good reason for doing so.

My only exception to this would be if one declares all out war on the government as mentioned in the Constitution when one does not have a government that represents you and the oppression has become enough to justify the violent overthrow of the government if necessary. But that is a very big step and I doubt that few of us are ready to take it.

I agree with the posters who said that two wrongs don't make a right. As much as it would feel good to throw things at these motherless fucks it doesn't help our cause one bit. It is exactly what the right wing would do to someone like Michael Moore or Bill Clinton--and they would certainly have what was, for them, a very good reason for doing so.

My only exception to this would be if one declares all out war on the government as mentioned in the Constitution when one does not have a government that represents you and the oppression has become enough to justify the violent overthrow of the government if necessary. But that is a very big step and I doubt that few of us are ready to take it.

REEEEEEALLY???

We reap what we sow.

Your post included, I'm afraid.

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Do you actually think that if a real threat was posed by these students the police wouldn't have arrested them?

You seem to be "hung up" on the 'no arrests' things, as if it somehow means no illegal behavior occurred. I have been pulled over for speeding, I wasn't arrested or even given a ticket, it didn't mean that i was "magically" not breaking the speed limit.

If they (the police) thought a real threat was posed, I would surmise the results would have been different. However, that is only speculation. However, just because no arrests occurred, doesn't mean that those throwing objects weren't acting illegally. Legality is not based on arrest.

after you repeatedly told the cop you were guilty of a crime just as you are demanding that these students were guilty of a crime.

Say you, or I, are walking down a street and see a crime committed, we are able to detain the criminal with little fear of bodily harm, and hold him for the police, but fail to do so. Have we then committed a crime? Perhaps that is what the students were trying to do with Rove.

Myself, I salute these Vigilant Patriotic Americans for trying to detain a criminal. Too bad the authorities didn't take advantage and make an arrest!

Just looking at it from my angle, I may be wrong.

:thumbsup:

Life is a two way street baby.

OH, that's right...I DIDN'T!

ticket for speeding happened to be a small town lawyer and a local politician.

I have known several people pulled over and given a warning, no ticket. Didn't change the fact a law was broken.

Perhaps people should actually read what is written before responding.

:eyes:

we live now in a nation where throwing things, whether they be eggs or bombs, are now both defined as missiles, do you honestly believe that is a good thing?

Do you really support that concept?

When the idea of throwing eggs at corrupt officials is defined as being as illegal, then the action becomes equatable to the illegal war they started.

And that makes what kind of sense?

I have to side with the egg throwers. No one died. The main thing this action shows is that the people of this nation are tired of morons* lies and as such are angry that our freedoms and our voice is being actively stifled by this admin* (free speech zones? no protest areas?), action sometimes is necessary to make a point. And here rotten eggs made that point clear and apparent.

to know whether you think violent protests of the 60s were uncalled for because they were aggressive?

Just asking the simple question to see if he/she thinks that back then it was more justified to do this type of thing or not. But since you answered for him/her I guess you can tell me what you think. : ) I saw pictures taken by a student photographer and campus police were pretty rough with the kids even if there were no arrests made. Here's one

<http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070404/480/79314f998de54c88ac7be119fb6e5b17>

I'm sure they just had to be removed from the street so pigboy's car could get by. It does come down to opinion I guess because I don't see anything wrong with pelting his car with eggs. It's very little compared to the shit he condones. Perhaps I'm wrong :shrug:

"Sorry Martin, but that bus boycott you're planning is against the law."

He's right. Or she's right. w/e.

The civil rights movement wasn't afraid to go outside the law for example.

And illegal vandalism and destruction of property. Problematic (and racist) as it was, it was also one of the more important acts of resistance against the monarchy. Well, I'm all for resisting this monarchy inappropriately.

It was an appropriate way to get a point across, but my issue with the inappropriateness is because of the illegality. Calling him a fat, sack of lying shit would also be inappropriate in certain venues; however, it isn't illegal. That said, there are times, when even illegal acts can be "excused" and it is usually as an act of civil disobedience, which is what I would see the Boston Tea Party as, but not this incident.

I also make the point that the Boston Tea Party was almost certainly illegal and similarly an act of vandalism and disregard for property and person. I don't see why that is different except that I'm making a comparison of course to something that is revered. Karl Rove Hijacked control of the country much in the same way the monarchy was controlling the colonies. Acts of resistance come in all colors and flavors, and they are often illegal. In this case the Police judged these kids not to be a threat. No arrest was made. So perhaps the students had good enough judgment not to throw an anvil at his head, but apparently their volleys were sufficiently non-threatening to dissuade arrest. The world isn't as black and white as you think it is.

I didn't disagree that the Boston Tea Party was illegal, but it was a different set of circumstances. If you can't see that, I don't know that I can help you. Seeing as you know nothing about me, I fail to see how you can claim I see the world as "black and white." Furthermore, just because arrests were not made, doesn't mean that illegal activity didn't occur. Assault surely did, though from the headline, one would gather that contact had been made, as "pelt" generally implies contact.

Chucking massive amounts of tea into a harbor because it got taxed = okay
Chucking a pencil at a man who is part of the not-so-conspiratorial conspiracy to destroy our nation's Democracy and a nice solid portion of the population of the middle east = not okay

Are you perhaps a libertarian, Aegis? :)

In my very questionable opinion, people who are obsessive about strict adherence to the law -- any law, all laws -- are nothing but self-appointed guardians of the commonweal and police proxies for whom proper procedure is everything and objectives are only pursued with the loftiest of tactics. Which assures that they and their message will continue to be ridiculed or ignored by those in power, who completely understand the use of force as social control mechanism and avail themselves of it every chance they get.

The law-above-all crowd are living icons illustrating the metaphorical mistake of bringing a knife to a gun fight. Very much like what I've come to expect from most of my representatives and employees on the democratic side of the aisle.

There is nothing noble about moderation in the face of tyranny, and there are no legal limits on protesting, undermining and hopefully demolishing an illegal regime.

If given the choice of participating in or avoiding the Boston Tea Party, these types would have chosen to write a letter to the editor castigating the rebels for besmirching the good name of law-abiding people who disagree with the British East India Company but choose to respect and obey the law because without the rule of law, we're just a bunch of savages, blah, blah, blah. Just a few rotten eggs; two wrongs never make a right; never stoop to their level and so on into the sink hole of marginalization and irrelevance.

Bottom line: Karl Rove is one of the prime movers and top political minds in the illegal regime that came to power in 2000 through a bloodless right wing coup. His primary political asset is the complete absence of a discernible conscience, which gives him the amoral detachment necessary to inflict any number of outrages on the people of this country. He is responsible for creating and implementing policies that have turned official Washington into a miasma of political slime, featuring systemic graft and corruption, rampant cronyism and a declaration of open warfare against progressives. His hand is behind nearly everything we detest about BushCo, from shredding the Constitution to creating a theocratic state; from demolishing social programs to creating a policy of unchecked domestic spying; from packing the judiciary with like-minded wingnuts to creating every single official lie BushCo uses to avoid the consequences of its actions. And so on. Hell, he even created the concept of "free speech zones," even though the entire country used to be a free speech zone.

This is a very dangerous man. He's not fucking around; he's got a plan, he's got a grudge, he's got god on his side, and he's finally got the power to take his grudge out on all those little bastards who called him a fat piggy and threw stuff at him in the cafeteria back when he was in grade school. Only now his tormentors have morphed into progressives and secular humanists and environmentalists, and ...

Given all that, and given the once-in-a-lifetime chance to mess with him, who would blow the opportunity? And screw the letter of the law; if these sluts for big oil behaved in a lawful manner, perhaps they'd deserve some consideration. As it is, eggs are way too kind. I'm thinking more like a grand piano or a two-ton safe dropped from a third-story window. But eggs will have to do for the time.


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My head hurts from nodding in vigorous agreement -- well said and spot on!! :)

There's no sense in inflicting bodily harm on yourself. Besides, haven't you heard? It's unamerican to be passionate about liberty and justice, or the lack thereof. We're supposed to simply stew in our misery and gratefully take the crumbs our betters allow us to have. Hell, it's only the death knell of Constitutional government we're talking about, the shredding of the social contract that dates back to 1215. Let's by all means keep it civil. And let's make sure that we never have any fun at the expense of these thieves.

Personally, I wish they'd had ostrich eggs for maximum damage. But regular old chicken eggs can be fun, too.


See you in court.


wp

Where have I heard that before? Oh, yes:

Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

An angry mob in Iran paraded in front of the British embassy, demanding the sailors' heads on a pike. Instead, the sailors will soon be released (or just have been released) unharmed.

Which result would you prefer?

Actually, I'd prefer Rove's head on a pike rather than the Brits'. But to address your points. First, I completely agree with the highlighted statement (by Goldwater, I think?), although he's not in my personal political hall of fame. But turn the statements around:

Do you think that apathy in the defense of liberty is a good idea? In that case, you must be OK with the laundry list of offenses against liberty perpetrated against the american people, as well as the rest of the world, by this administration, whose chief political plotter is the good Mr. Rove. And the offenses go all the way back to grand theft election in 2000, and again in 2004. But that's OK because extremism -- which is to say, active opposition to forces which would seek to curtail or eliminate Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms -- is for manic zealots and apathy is so much cooler.

Do you think that a casual approach to the pursuit of justice is a good idea? Then you must be OK with secret military tribunals, suspension of habeas corpus, torture, elimination of 4th amendment protections, elimination of the right to hear charges and defend against them, elimination of the right to an attorney, right wing politicizing the DoJ, and so on down the line. But that's OK because nobody really gives a shit anyway and we're only talking about some disposable little brown people and fuck em if they can't take a joke. Must avoid getting too involved with this stuff; it only raises blood pressure.

So yeah, I think Goldwater is right, although the justice he was interested in pursuing was mainly about strangling a nascent anti-Vietnam war movement and the liberty he was defending was mostly about making the world safe for rich white imperialists.

As to UK heads on pikes, I suspect that they were just serving as a proxies representing US/UK meddling in the MIddle East. They happened to be visible targets, but the longstanding rage over western imperialism has deeper roots. And what sane and informed person in the middle east isn't sick to death of the continuous, malevolent meddling by the coalition of the coerced, at least back as far as 1952-3 with the CIA's replacement of Mossadeq with the Shah. And what a deal that was for liberty and justice. So I see their point, although I don't agree with their stated purpose.

Have I left anything out? Do you understand why I think pelting Karl Rove with eggs is a great idea? Isn't it about time somebody did? These bastards have been getting a pass for years. Eggs may be the best the opposition can do at this point. Maybe next time it'll be a trip to The Hague, followed by life without possibility of parole at Abu Ghraib, with our fine government-approved sadists watching his every move. Now that begins to sound appealing. Eggs? Not even close.


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but not lack of logic.

And the use of the typo "tpyos" in that context was a, how you say, a joke, a little bit of fun in an otherwise dreary world, a little malaprop for levity, a little visual pun for the pungent. And so on...

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If there was an applause emoticon, this would definitely be the place for it...
A fan.

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DAMN! That was like a bracing splash of cold water. Thanks.

#5 of the Marquess of Queensbury Rules states: "A man hanging on the ropes in a helpless state, with his toes off the ground, shall be considered down."

I don't think so, not when that man is an evil, murderous bastard. When a toxic asshole is on the ropes, that's when the serious ass-kicking should commence.

:applause:

Well stated!!

:toast:

Thoughts on the Boston Tea Party seem to spring into mind.

Legality? Harumph!

Two different situations and hardly comparable.

I reply to a particular post without having read the entire thread.

Expression of outrage is still expression of outrage. And legality is an artificial conceit.

but throwing eggs at a car not civil disobedience?

I'm not seeing such a large difference...

Haha.

There would be nothing better than seeing him and his lackeys/masters being tossed UNDER the jail!

No bail on murder...

He stays in jail pre-trial too.

he was going to say, you shouldn't be throwing things. It hurts the cause of the people throwing things more than it hurts Rove.

The man has freedom of speech as do all the rest of us.

Isn't it Roves, "Freedom of Speech" that seems to be slowly whittling away at ours? No, really, just slip on back to oblivious land, this will all blow over soon.

speech rights.

although... based on his choices and by based on historic norms, he's earned a few small hard fast things thrown at him. Not that it would be _decent_, per se, but it would be typical.

They can throw things at a guy who purposely orchestrated blatantly racist election tactics. I'm not sure they should throw a hammer at him or anything harmful, but a pie, or a nerf football or maybe some eggs sounds like a good idea to me. I know that its probably inappropriate, but its been a long slog being appropriate with these jokers. Time for some good hard inappropriate behavior at the very least!

It isn't a matter of being inappropriate or not, at least not in my opinion, but a matter of being illegal, and possibly dangerous behavior. I am all for protest, but this (the throwing of objects) really crosses a line.

the cops would have done their normal overreaction and arrested their asses?

But they didn't...

Maybe it wasn't "assault", eh?

Just because an arrest didn't take place, doesn't mean an assault didn't occur.

Maybe it was "assault," eh?

it was assault or not, just don't portray your opinion as fact...

Assault:

you see throwing eggs as assault... the eggs were in no danger of striking the pigboy, though, so I'd say no assault occurred.

The eggs themselves were in danger, I feel bad for the eggs. They could sue Rove for assault if he allowed them to hit his corpulant body.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

"Throwing things at the man, even as contemptible as he is, is childish, uncalled for, and illegal!"

<makes masturbatory hand gesture>

Karl Rove shares responsibility in the deaths of about 600,000 people at least. The administration as a whole have made a mockery of international law. If Rove could be tried fairly (like Saddamn Hussein's trial was fair, or like a poor minority gets a fair trial) he would be convicted and sentenced to death. However, because he is who he is and he has the status and connections he has, he will never be held to account in our (in)justice system.

"Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of government." - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

It should be clear that our government cannot be expected to bring justice to Karl Rove (or anyone for that matter), because it is class biased, and therefore unjust. By holding up these unjust, class biased laws as if they were actually some desirable standard, you are simultaneously arguing against bringing justice to Karl Rove AND supporting the class inequality that says if you are rich and powerful enough, you should be above the law.

And what a great first reply!

This last bit needs to be restated i think:

"By holding up these unjust, class biased laws as if they were actually some desirable standard, you are simultaneously arguing against bringing justice to Karl Rove AND supporting the class inequality that says if you are rich and powerful enough, you should be above the law."

thanks for writing what i was wanting to articulate....

:eyes:

:applause:

:hi:

Great first post!!

:-)

We must have proper orderly demonstrations. We must not be rude to our rulers.

With a lot more unruly angry demonstrations we might actually see some progress. Nothing puts the scare into the elites like an angry mob.

We must not wear PINK.
We must not be Cross-Dressers or Transsexuals (especially whilst wearing PINK).
We must not be Cindy Sheehan .....

....so EMBARRASSING!


:sarcasm:

they _ARE_ TRAITORS damn it

did you know that protesters threw eggs at bush when he was inaugurated in 2001? I didn't know about that until I saw Farenheit 9/11. So my first thought was hooray that this got media coverage.

...but I still find it funny. Guess I'm just a bad person.

after all the meanness that Rove has spewed, this is poetic justice. He has ruined lives; the spoiled food merely mussed up his clothing and car.

The students said security officials picked them up and carried them away so Rove could leave.

Police said they have dealt with a lot of protests on campus and this one was handled peacefully.

No one was arrested.

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I glossed over that the first time around.

I've known several Middle Eastern royals that attended there. No doubt he was going to get a wonderful reception.

WTF was he thinking?

The more vile the speech/person the more violent the response may be.

First rule of free speech.

No free speech for the fascists.

I wish I could have been there to see it! Who wouldn't get a kick out of throwing crap at Rove? LOL!!!

have lost all respect for American students/workers, and the kids are letting them know it. Go, Kids!

On 13 January, to mark the 470th anniversary of the university, the Nazi Gauleiter--District Leader--of the city, Paul Giesler, gave a speech in the course of which he told the female students that it would be better for them to get on with giving the Fuhrer a child than wasting time on books; he even offered to put his henchmen at their service. Several girls immediately left the hall in protest, only to be arrested at the exit. This led to a demonstration, in the course of which the Nazi Student Leader was dragged from the podium, beaten up, and declared a hostage against the release of the girls. The Nazis telephoned the police, who promptly arrived and broke up the meeting. This was the first student demonstration against the Nazis in Munich, and it stimulated the Gestapo to redouble its efforts to find the originators of the White Rose.

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Rove just asks that women give their child to persue the endless wars of the Bush administration. Just a bit less crude, but not a bit less extreme.

:kick:

He wouldn't listen to a question respectfully, and wouldn't answer honestly. It would be an exercise in futility.

Some people would prefer not to speak with people whose values are that completely ####ed. They will neither be moved to change, nor to be embarrassed.

He's beyond redemption.

.... If you're going to pelt someone, do it with Rotten eggs..

From reply 23 in another thread on the subject:



This could explain why there are conflicting versions of the event, which can bee seen in this WaPo article.

Sometimes, a situation gets the best of people, but to start a "conspiracy theory" about this, minor incident, seems, well, silly. Is there the possibility that this was a 'set up?" Of course, in this day and age anything is possible.

But conflicting versions of the event are plain to see in the WaPo article. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in that respect.

I read the first one, which is VERY short on detail. The source you provided is more detailed, but I am not seeing a "conflicting version."

I agree, it will be interesting to see how it plays out; but, honestly, I doubt this will be the last we hear of it.

Josh Goodman estimated that the incident lasted for "close to five full minutes," but Maralee Csellar, AU's acting head of public relations, said the delay amounted to a minute or two.

Kim Bruce, a spokeswoman for the Secret Service, said, "some individuals ran in front of the vehicle" but "did not impede" Rove's departure.

So was Rove delayed for five minutes, one or two minutes, or not at all?

About 20 students lay in front of the car as it prepared to leave, a witness said.

Now compare that to Kim Bruce's statement above. Statements don't seem to match up, do they?

The issue of time is tricky. For one person, something may seem like "an eternity," for another, "a blink of the eye." If the time difference were greater than a minute here or there, then I could see some problems. Eyewitnesses are usually unreliable and as far as Csellar's comments, I don't think she was there, but repeating what was told to her. As for Bruce's comments about not impeding Rove's departure, the article says "About 20 students lay in front of the car as it prepared to leave, a witness said." Goodman, said they tried to stop Rove's vehicle "as best they could" and the vehicle left after the protesters were removed. This doesn't seem all that inconsistent to me.

Verbiage aside, it seems some people decided to throw things (nothing I have seen as said what those "things" were), a few people either ran in front of, or placed themselves on the ground in front of, Rove's vehicle. The incident was not long-lived and thereby not a major deterrent to Rove's leaving the premises. I really don't see a "conspiracy" here.

Goodman, who was at the scene, said five minutes. Bruce, who was also at the scene said zero minutes. Most people don't get easily confused about the difference between 5 minutes and not at all. If you don't see a possible discrepancy there it might be because you don't want to.

And I actually never did suggest there was a conspiracy.

But it's all academic. I never did draw a conclusion and still haven't. Maybe never will.

IMO, if there were ANY cause for arrest, the students would have been arrested - The great and powerful KKKarl would have made certain of that. If, in fact, it was an "assault", I would just about guarantee there would have been arrests made. One doesn't "assault" a powerful advisor to the pResident without paying for it.

Secret Service and police were there - no one was arrested. It obviously did not meet the definition of assault.

Beautiful!

Bet he forgot to spout any snarky comments about meeting the devil - too busy trying to get away.

It is importanat to remember that Loyal Bushies, like Loyal Nazis, only comprise 15-30% of our population.

And just like the Loyal Germans (as seperate from the Loyal Nazis as Loyal American are from Loyal Bushies), we can STOP them before it's too late, we can DEFEAT them ourselves without having to wait for the world to do it (at great pain to ourselves, whther the attack be conventional or economic).

But only if we 70% who are still loyal to country and NOT Fuehrer wake up, band together and REALIZE that we have the power to stop these Loyal Bushie Monsters before they initiate their Endgame and the bloodshed ratchets upward.

The Germans failed to do this. We MUST NOT FAIL.

We need to make it uncomfortable for Karl to be in public. Any place he is going, people should be there and do what these PATRIOTS did. Stand up to the tyranny

To: West Coast Conservative

Where’s the Ohio National Guard when you need them?

4 posted on 04/03/2007 9:13:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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is deployed to Iraq. Defending our DOI, BOR, and the Constitution and if I remember correctly, freedom of speech and assembly were among those rights.

Freepers should support bringing our boys home so they can shoot "unruly liberals."

such coldhearted cruelty...

to be nostalgic for a time where a bunch of mouth-breathing fascists opened fire on unarmed college students.

You want to blame someone for the massacre? Blame Jim Rhodes, who ordered live ammo to be given to the Guard, and blame Tricky Dick and his crew, who began the tactics that BushCo has exploited to this day.

Let's not trod down this path, shall we?

:bounce:

Actually, a FLEET of these pigeons. Genetically modified to grow to 35-40 pounds (with a comparable increase in "payload" capacity), can recognize a target of opportunity, track it to its destination, and aim and release their poojectile at their own discretion. Brewster McCloud, where are you when we need you?

I love it! :rofl:

WOOO HOOO

I AM DAMN PROUD THIS MORNING!!! DAMN PROUD!!!

SPA '05.

Love me that AU. *sniffle*

For anyone interested, it is a highly international school. One of its goals is to become the world's premier international education institution. It will get there in very few years.

It's also a splendid school for experiential learning. I was able to take a semester off to work for the presidential campaign in 2004, and i did two capitol hill internships. All of it was for credit. There's no better school to go to if you want to get real hands on learning in national/international politics.

It has retained its top 50 overall ranking for several years, but several programs (government, internaitonal relations) are top 5.

These kids are not just hoodlums, they are highly educated, highly political, REAL PEOPLE. These are people who get it, not peole who are out to cause trouble for the sake of it. They understand and respect our system of government.

Yeah, I was there when Reagan was president. I had many, many arguments with campus Republicans.

The days of "peaceful protests" are OVER! Keep that shit up and these fascists will pull what's left of this country right out from under us. These kids are starting to get it! Rise up in numbers and toss a few rotten eggs, shows the world that we don't respect these thugs who are attempting to flush the very democracy they are trying to push on everyone else. It shows the world that we've had enough of their shit. Complacent Pansies end up in jail just as quickly as egg throwers, and usually with less of a message to show for it. Want change? Then fucking fight for it. Six fucking years of "walking on eggshells". It's time to get off of our debt-laden asses make noise and THROW SHIT! Baggies full of dog-shit, now THAT'S a message.

perhaps this will. It is a time honored tradition to hurl tomatoes, eggs , whatever at a public speaker. Just because it is not seen here doesn't mean it isn't done in "civilized' society. It is done in societies far more civil than we. It is kinder than shooting bullets. All they hear in DC is the echo chamber that is the press, and those sanitized town hall meetings .They have not been listening to the public and they are running the risk of the public truly showing their contempt. It those kids had meant to do bodily harm (which is part of the definition of assault), they would have used something more substantial than rotten eggs.
Police mad a good call.

They don't seem to get the message any other way.

Bush Co did realize that it wasn't a good idea to let the Chimp throw out the first pitch at RFK this year. :evilgrin:

sometimes you need to use a 2x4 upside the head to get a jackass' attention. Of course-he was refering to plowing a field;)

using email on other than WH servers!

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WASHINGTON - White House aide Karl Rove came face to face with angry protesters after speaking to the Young Republican Club at American University Tuesday night, with about 20 students lying down in front of his car.

Student Josh Goodman told The Washington Post other students kicked Rove's car, "and tried to stop it as best they could."

Goodman, an AU junior, said he and others wanted to make a "citizens arrest" of the presidential adviser.

According to the newspaper, Goodman says the students claimed they had compiled evidence indicating that Rove had violated what they say is a presidential records act stipulating that all presidential e-mail be recorded on White House servers.

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more here: http://www.wtop.com/?nid=596&sid=1106356

OH, and you can leave a comment at that site!!

:bounce:

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

let's speed it up!

:evilgrin:

Let's see, when a brutal and power-mad king ruled us, did we put up with it and only engage in peaceful protest?
No, we certainly did not.
Did the people win?
They certainly did.
When the people of France were being trampled underfoot by an uncaring monarchy, did the people chant and wave placards?
No, they certainly did not.
Did the people win?
They certainly did.
When the Czar's selfish and greedy ways pushed the people of Russia too far, did keeping it low-key and non-violent do the trick?
No, it certainly did not.
Did the people realize that THEY had the real power?
They certainly did.
Did they finally take care of the swine with the help of a couple of well placed balconies?
They certainly did.
Did the people win?
They certainly did.
Another board I post on keeps telling the liberals that name calling and getting angry does nothing to change anything, I say bullshit! I'm not too angry, the rest of y'all aren't angry ENOUGH!
Nicely behaved people get jack shit done in this world.
Eggs and whatnot?
Try throwing a few anvils at KKKarl!!!
THAT will get his attention!

kids! I hope all of your aims were true!:yourock:

I can't wait for the day that this scum bag pays for his crimes.

This was a GREAT start.:toast:

. . . and say that protestors should be above this kind of behavior so as not to subvert their message.

This may very well fall under the 0.1% exception :)

Im surprised Rove didnt tell the driver to run them over.

but the driver wouldn't do it unless Rove could guarantee a presidential pardon.

He feels powerful now but time has away of taking powerful people and locking them up

"Police said they have dealt with a lot of protests on campus and this one was handled peacefully." "There were no arrests or injuries, police said."

Does anyone know what was thrown at his car? paper, eggs...what? Can't find out, only classified as "debris" Would appreciate any information, posters have on this.

Karl Rove said Valerie Plame was "Fair Game", isn't he?

Yea! While I don't condone assault (and that does amount to assault) and things like this could lead to blurring of lines, slippery slopes, etc, I think this is great news. I fully support pelting anyone such as Bush, Cheney, Rove with anything vile and disgusting (that causes no physical harm, and no biohazards). Rumsfeld too. They've ignored public opinion, world opinion and on and on; maybe being covered in goo and stench will get their attention. And if not, it feels good and just (if somewhat immature, I mean child-like). Like Rummy said "Democracy's messy" or some such crap.

I'm perfectly willing to go outside the bounds of what is acceptable or perhaps even legal (depending on how stupid the law is) to be part of a righteous protest.

And I certainly think that Karl Rove amongst many others deserves a fate far worse than what anyone has suffered at Gitmo.

However, if you're throwing rocks, eggs or other potentially dangerous objects (ask someone who's lost an eye whether or not eggshell can be dangerous), you stand a pretty huge chance of hurting someone innocent. If you must throw something, make it something that isn't going to injure someone, just humiliate the heck out of them (jello, a very soft tomato, spaghetti sauce). And be willing to openly admit that it is indeed assault, whether or not it injured anyone or whether they deserved it.

JMHO.

All that aside, I'm glad to see the students protesting that fucking son of a dungheap.

I don't condone assault, so put that man in jail before he assaults another country.

I do condone the dp for mass murderers.

Since this mass murderer is getting away, I say protect yourself anyway you can. Use rocks as weapons even.

I laughed then and I'm laughing at this story, too. And nobody got hurt.

Having started college in 1968, I cut my teeth on protests and demonstrations.

I can only hope that a new generation is starting to wake up...

just kidding

:evilgrin:

Fuck them, Good on the students.

Karl lives his life of power through violence or the threat of violence, it should be no surprise he receives what he sows.

It's nice to see someone stand up for what they believe in. Some of us just sit behind the computer and are arm chair protesters. I know there are some who are unable to join in protests due to physical limitations but what excuse do the abled bodied people have?

Dapper

"The university said the students were given a designated area to protest and violated that agreement."

"Giving" the students a "designated area" to protest doesn't sound like an agreement to me. It sounds very one-sided.

Seriously, this is a pressure cooker. The longer the adminstration operates outside the rule of law, the more frustrated people are going to get. Real violence could happen if these people continue to flout the law.

What in tarnation is she talking about? I did not know there was such a profession. And they did a darn good job if it was reported in the Dallas Morning News. (my paper). :wtf:

... and I've seen this thread hanging around for
a few days now. It never fails to bring this picture
to mind.

What happens when the people finally catch up to
the fascist. This is Il Duce having a bad day.


Rove should have a copy of that on his desk.

Worth a try anyway.

taking it to the streets. We need another million just like them "throwing things" at our autocratic ruling class.

He's the sort of guy who'd keep driving.

Why is it even remotely acceptable for one to assault another person, except in self defense? Sure, you may disagree with his point of views and party affiliation, but under no circumstances should anyone have any object thrown at them. And yes, it is assault. For being students at a highly reputable university, these kids sure made themselves look like a bunch of criminals.